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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>, "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"KOSAKI Motohiro" <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Linux Kernel list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] add b+tree library
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:17:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1233793066.7390.34.camel@johannes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231631840.13420.24.camel@twins>

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Let me get back to this...

> > The IDR code there wasn't very well designed and still has holes.  The
> > radix-tree code afaik is solid, but look at all the stuff it does!
> 
> Yeah, its a bit of a mess, but solvable, as radix trees show.

To be fair, it hasn't been attempted yet though.

> B-tree's however have one thing over RB-trees, B-trees can be made
> RCU-safe whereas RB-trees cannot be -- the only problem is that Joern's
> doesn't do that.
> 
> I've been poking at my B-tree implementation but got distracted by the
> mutex spin stuff, its still buggy (still the insert sibling overflow --
> the rest should be ok-ish, although I need a hard look at the memory
> barriers).

Joern may need arbitrary key lengths, don't. But I've just looked around
a little:

 * radix trees are completely unsuitable for use as a sort of hash table
   because of their behaviour when keys are not at last mostly
   contiguous
 * rbtrees require lots of boilerplate code, and have much worse cache
   behaviour

In my use case, tracking the wifi APs around you, you have to scale from
a single one to >1k (yes, it's happening!), and lookups better be fast
because you might be doing them a lot (dozens of times per second).

johannes

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-05  0:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-10 10:47 Johannes Berg
2009-01-10 11:02 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-10 11:37   ` Johannes Berg
2009-01-10 11:56     ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-10 12:29     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-10 18:39       ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-10 18:44         ` Johannes Berg
2009-01-10 19:41           ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-10 20:22             ` Johannes Berg
2009-01-10 20:23             ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-10 21:27               ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-10 22:01                 ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-10 22:23                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-10 23:57                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-11  8:30                       ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-12 16:20                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-05  0:17                       ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2009-02-05  8:46                         ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-07 12:26                         ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-11  3:13                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-10 22:26                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-11  8:20                   ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-11 18:23                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-17 17:53 ` Pavel Machek

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