From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755914AbZBPVx3 (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:53:29 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755677AbZBPVxS (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:53:18 -0500 Received: from casper.infradead.org ([85.118.1.10]:53367 "EHLO casper.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755672AbZBPVxQ (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:53:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [RFD] Automatic suspend From: Peter Zijlstra To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" Cc: Arjan van de Ven , pm list , LKML , Arve =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hj=F8nnev=E5g?= , Alan Stern , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Pavel Machek , Nigel Cunningham , Matthew Garrett , mark gross , "Woodruff, Richard" , Uli Luckas , Igor Stoppa , Brian Swetland , Len Brown In-Reply-To: <200902162248.34287.rjw@sisk.pl> References: <200902160010.16955.rjw@sisk.pl> <20090215164456.34aef7e8@infradead.org> <200902162248.34287.rjw@sisk.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:52:57 +0100 Message-Id: <1234821177.30178.399.camel@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.25.90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 22:48 +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > Userland should never ever control the state of a device like this > > directly. It should do so by a) closing the device and b) setting > > latency / functional requirements. > > The user, however, may want to forcibly put a device into a low power state > without stopping all of the applications that depend on it (eg. have it open). > Do you think that we shouldn't allow users to do such things? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.