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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Alex Chiang <achiang@hp.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kaneshige.kenji@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 09/13] PCI: Introduce /sys/bus/pci/devices/.../remove
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:22:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1237926131.4320.127.camel@johannes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090324172354.GB17297@ldl.fc.hp.com>

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On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 11:23 -0600, Alex Chiang wrote:

> > There is no bug -- it's a false positive in a way. I've pointed this out
> > in the original thread, see
> > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/550877/focus=550932
> 
> I'm actually a bit confused now.

Sorry.

> Peter explained why flushing a workqueue from the same queue is
> bad, and in general I agree, but what do you mean by "false
> positive"?

Well, even though generally flushing it from within is bad, the actual
thing lockdep reports is bogus -- it's reporting a nested locking.

> By the way, this scenario:
> 
> 	code path 1:
> 	  my_function() -> lock(L1); ...; flush_workqueue(); ...
> 
> 	code path 2:
> 	  run_workqueue() -> my_work() -> ...; lock(L1); ...
> 
> is _not_ what is happening here.

Indeed.

> So what you really have going on is:
> 
> 	sysfs callback -> add remove callback to global workqueue
> 	remove callback fires off (pci_remove_bus_device) and we do...
> 	    device_unregister
> 	    driver's ->remove method called
> 	    driver's ->remove method calls flush_scheduled_work
> 
> Yes, after read the thread I agree that generically calling
> flush_workqueue in the middle of run_workqueue is bad, but the
> lockdep warning that Kenji showed us really won't deadlock.

Exactly that is what I meant by "false positive".

> This is because pci_remove_bus_device() will not acquire any lock
> L1 that an individual device driver will attempt to acquire in
> the remove path. If that were the case, we would deadlock every
> time you rmmod'ed a device driver's module or every time you shut
> your machine down.
> 
> I think from my end, there are 2 things I need to do:
> 
> 	a) make sysfs_schedule_callback() use its own work queue
> 	   instead of global work queue, because too many drivers
> 	   call flush_scheduled_work in their remove path
> 
> 	b) give sysfs attributes the ability to commit suicide
> 
> (a) is short term work, 2.6.30 timeframe, since it doesn't
> involve any large conceptual changes.
> 
> (b) is picking up Tejun Heo's existing work, but that was a bit
> controversial last time, and I'm not sure it will make it during
> this merge window.
> 
> Question for the lockdep folks though -- given what I described,
> do you agree that the warning we saw was a false positive? Or am
> I off in left field?

I think we're not sure yet -- it seems Lai Jiangshan described a
scenario in which flushing from within the work actually _can_ deadlock.

johannes

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-24 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-20 20:55 [PATCH v5 00/13] PCI core learns hotplug Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:55 ` [PATCH v5 01/13] PCI: pci_is_root_bus helper Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 22:00   ` Jesse Barnes
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 02/13] PCI: don't scan existing devices Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 03/13] PCI: pci_scan_slot() returns newly found devices Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 04/13] PCI: always scan child buses Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 05/13] PCI: do not initialize bridges more than once Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 06/13] PCI: do not enable " Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 07/13] PCI: Introduce pci_rescan_bus() Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 08/13] PCI: Introduce /sys/bus/pci/rescan Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 09/13] PCI: Introduce /sys/bus/pci/devices/.../remove Alex Chiang
2009-03-23  9:01   ` Kenji Kaneshige
2009-03-24  3:23     ` Alex Chiang
2009-03-24  9:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-24 10:46         ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-24 11:17           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-03-24 13:21             ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-24 12:32           ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-24 17:23             ` Alex Chiang
2009-03-24 20:22               ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2009-03-24 16:12         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-03-24 17:32           ` Alex Chiang
2009-03-24 19:29     ` Alex Chiang
2009-03-25  5:06       ` Kenji Kaneshige
2009-03-25  5:20         ` Alex Chiang
2009-03-25  5:39           ` Kenji Kaneshige
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 10/13] PCI: Introduce /sys/bus/pci/devices/.../rescan Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 11/13] PCI Hotplug: restore fakephp interface with complete reimplementation Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 12/13] PCI Hotplug: rename legacy_fakephp to fakephp Alex Chiang
2009-03-20 20:56 ` [PATCH v5 13/13] PCI Hotplug: schedule fakephp for feature removal Alex Chiang
2012-03-10 21:20   ` Yinghai Lu

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