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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	bharrosh@panasas.com, axboe@kernel.dk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	bzolnier@gmail.com, petkovbb@googlemail.com,
	sshtylyov@ru.mvista.com, mike.miller@hp.com, Eric.Moore@lsi.com,
	stern@rowland.harvard.edu, zaitcev@redhat.com,
	Geert.Uytterhoeven@sonycom.com, sfr@canb.auug.org.au,
	grant.likely@secretlab.ca, paul.clements@steeleye.com,
	tim@cyberelk.net, jeremy@xensource.com, adrian@mcmen.demon.co.uk,
	oakad@yahoo.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	ballabio_dario@emc.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, Markus.Lidel@shadowconnect.com,
	dgilbert@interlog.com, djwong@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/11] block: add rq->resid_len
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:43:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242099783.19949.8.camel@mulgrave.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A08C094.2060602@kernel.org>

On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 09:19 +0900, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, all.
> 
> James Bottomley wrote:
> >>> Does resid_len make any sense w/ failed requests?  I think we would be
> >>> better off with declaring residual count to be undefined on request
> >>> failure.  Is there any place which depends on it?
> >> IIRC, I wrote the code. I think that this doesn't matter but it's
> >> better not to change the behavior unless Eric ack on this change
> >> (maybe LSI has some management binary that assume this behavior though
> >> it's unlikely).
> > 
> > Actually, yes it does, for many possible reasons.
> > 
> > The first being if the device is too stupid to report an actual sector
> > location the next best way of determining where the error occurred is
> > from the residual.  We don't make use of this in kernel (perhaps we
> > should?) but some of the user space programs for CD/DVD burning do.
> 
> Really?  Residual count on command success is used but on failure?
> That's a dangerous territory.  When a SG_IO fails, the only data the
> app should be accessing is the sense data if the status indicates its
> validity.  The problems with residual count on failed command are...
> 
> * Not well defined.  What does it mean really?  It can't indicate
>   successful partial transfer.  If the request partially succeeded,
>   the required behavior is to successfully complete the request
>   partially with residual count and then fail the latter part when
>   issued again.  If the failure applies to the whole request but
>   location information is useful, it should be carried in the sense
>   data.

The definition is the amount of data transfer requested less the actual
that went over the wire ... that's certainly a well defined quantity;
although, one could argue about what this means in the device.
Certainly I agree that just because the data was transferred to or from
the device is no guarantee that the device did anything with it (or
transferred it accurately).

> * What about corner values?  What does 0 or full resid count on
>   failure mean?

0 means everything transferred, full residual means nothing did.

> * Different layers of failing.  In SG_IO interface, a request may fail
>   with -EIO way before it reaches block layer.  Residual count can't
>   be set to any meaningful value in these cases.  We can set it to
>   full count for these fast fail paths, but do we really wanna go
>   there?  Another problem is when a driver is missing SG_IO
>   capability.  Who's responsible for setting resid count in that case?
>   How is upper layer gonna determine a SG_IO failed because lower
>   level driver didn't support it or it genuinely failed?

Well, I prefer the concept of transfer length, which would be
initialised to zero ... however, residuals should be initialised to the
actual transfer count.

> I think it's just silly to give any meaning to resid count when the
> request fails.  It's best to leave the field unmodified or just
> declare it undefined.

It's current behaviour.  Technically that makes it part of the SG_IO
ABI ... although it could be deprecated if someone can verify there are
no current users.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-12  3:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-04  7:58 [GIT PATCH] block,scsi,ide: unify sector and data_len, take#2 Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 01/11] nbd: don't clear rq->sector and nr_sectors unnecessarily Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 02/11] ide-tape: don't initialize rq->sector for rw requests Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 03/11] block: add rq->resid_len Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 12:08   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-05  3:41     ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-07 10:23   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-10 14:07   ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-10 23:48     ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-11  5:49       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-11 14:18         ` James Bottomley
2009-05-11 15:03           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-11 15:13             ` James Bottomley
2009-05-11 23:47               ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12  0:19           ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12  3:43             ` James Bottomley [this message]
2009-05-12  6:04               ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 14:08                 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-12 14:34                   ` Alan Stern
2009-05-12 15:17                   ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 15:45                     ` James Bottomley
2009-05-13  6:30                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-11 11:31       ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-11 14:59         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12  8:58           ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 15:00             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12 15:08               ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 15:16               ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12  0:27         ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12  8:46           ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12  9:07             ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12  9:10               ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12  9:52               ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 10:06                 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 11:08                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 15:20                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 15:53                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 04/11] block: implement blk_rq_pos/[cur_]sectors() and convert obvious ones Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 13:45   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-05  3:42     ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 05/11] block: convert to pos and nr_sectors accessors Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 19:48   ` Adrian McMenamin
2009-05-05  3:42     ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 06/11] ide: convert to rq " Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 07/11] block: drop request->hard_* and *nr_sectors Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 08/11] block: cleanup rq->data_len usages Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 14:41   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-11 12:02   ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 09/11] ide: " Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 10/11] block: hide request sector and data_len Tejun Heo
2009-05-04  7:58 ` [PATCH 11/11] block: blk_rq_[cur_]_{sectors|bytes}() usage cleanup Tejun Heo
2009-05-05  3:59 ` [GIT PATCH] block,scsi,ide: unify sector and data_len, take#2 Tejun Heo
2009-05-07  2:48   ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-07 10:23 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-08  2:06   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-08  9:11     ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-11 12:06 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12  0:49   ` Tejun Heo

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