From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
bharrosh@panasas.com, axboe@kernel.dk,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/11] block: add rq->resid_len
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:43:03 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242099783.19949.8.camel@mulgrave.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A08C094.2060602@kernel.org>
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 09:19 +0900, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, all.
>
> James Bottomley wrote:
> >>> Does resid_len make any sense w/ failed requests? I think we would be
> >>> better off with declaring residual count to be undefined on request
> >>> failure. Is there any place which depends on it?
> >> IIRC, I wrote the code. I think that this doesn't matter but it's
> >> better not to change the behavior unless Eric ack on this change
> >> (maybe LSI has some management binary that assume this behavior though
> >> it's unlikely).
> >
> > Actually, yes it does, for many possible reasons.
> >
> > The first being if the device is too stupid to report an actual sector
> > location the next best way of determining where the error occurred is
> > from the residual. We don't make use of this in kernel (perhaps we
> > should?) but some of the user space programs for CD/DVD burning do.
>
> Really? Residual count on command success is used but on failure?
> That's a dangerous territory. When a SG_IO fails, the only data the
> app should be accessing is the sense data if the status indicates its
> validity. The problems with residual count on failed command are...
>
> * Not well defined. What does it mean really? It can't indicate
> successful partial transfer. If the request partially succeeded,
> the required behavior is to successfully complete the request
> partially with residual count and then fail the latter part when
> issued again. If the failure applies to the whole request but
> location information is useful, it should be carried in the sense
> data.
The definition is the amount of data transfer requested less the actual
that went over the wire ... that's certainly a well defined quantity;
although, one could argue about what this means in the device.
Certainly I agree that just because the data was transferred to or from
the device is no guarantee that the device did anything with it (or
transferred it accurately).
> * What about corner values? What does 0 or full resid count on
> failure mean?
0 means everything transferred, full residual means nothing did.
> * Different layers of failing. In SG_IO interface, a request may fail
> with -EIO way before it reaches block layer. Residual count can't
> be set to any meaningful value in these cases. We can set it to
> full count for these fast fail paths, but do we really wanna go
> there? Another problem is when a driver is missing SG_IO
> capability. Who's responsible for setting resid count in that case?
> How is upper layer gonna determine a SG_IO failed because lower
> level driver didn't support it or it genuinely failed?
Well, I prefer the concept of transfer length, which would be
initialised to zero ... however, residuals should be initialised to the
actual transfer count.
> I think it's just silly to give any meaning to resid count when the
> request fails. It's best to leave the field unmodified or just
> declare it undefined.
It's current behaviour. Technically that makes it part of the SG_IO
ABI ... although it could be deprecated if someone can verify there are
no current users.
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-12 3:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-04 7:58 [GIT PATCH] block,scsi,ide: unify sector and data_len, take#2 Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 01/11] nbd: don't clear rq->sector and nr_sectors unnecessarily Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 02/11] ide-tape: don't initialize rq->sector for rw requests Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 03/11] block: add rq->resid_len Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 12:08 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-05 3:41 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-07 10:23 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-10 14:07 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-10 23:48 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-11 5:49 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-11 14:18 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-11 15:03 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-11 15:13 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-11 23:47 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12 0:19 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 3:43 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2009-05-12 6:04 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 14:08 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-12 14:34 ` Alan Stern
2009-05-12 15:17 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 15:45 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-13 6:30 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-11 11:31 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-11 14:59 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12 8:58 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 15:00 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12 15:08 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 15:16 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-12 0:27 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 8:46 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 9:07 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 9:10 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 9:52 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 10:06 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 11:08 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 15:20 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-12 15:53 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 04/11] block: implement blk_rq_pos/[cur_]sectors() and convert obvious ones Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 13:45 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-05 3:42 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 05/11] block: convert to pos and nr_sectors accessors Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 19:48 ` Adrian McMenamin
2009-05-05 3:42 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 06/11] ide: convert to rq " Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 07/11] block: drop request->hard_* and *nr_sectors Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 08/11] block: cleanup rq->data_len usages Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 14:41 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-11 12:02 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 09/11] ide: " Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 10/11] block: hide request sector and data_len Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 7:58 ` [PATCH 11/11] block: blk_rq_[cur_]_{sectors|bytes}() usage cleanup Tejun Heo
2009-05-05 3:59 ` [GIT PATCH] block,scsi,ide: unify sector and data_len, take#2 Tejun Heo
2009-05-07 2:48 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-07 10:23 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-08 2:06 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-08 9:11 ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-11 12:06 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-12 0:49 ` Tejun Heo
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