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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Koskinen Aaro (Nokia-D/Helsinki)" <aaro.koskinen@nokia.com>,
	linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:48:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1255351683.30919.5.camel@macbook.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091012123630.GA23285@elte.hu>

On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 14:36 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> Well other than not using sleeping locks in that codepath it should be 
> properly serializable. If the serial driver, netconsole, fbcon and all 
> the other non-trivial console drivers can do it then MTD should be able 
> to do it too.

It's distinctly non-trivial. A 'real' user of the hardware may have just
triggered a block erase, which could take hundreds (or even thousands)
of milliseconds to complete. We can't always suspend that erase; do we
really want to _wait_ for it?

If we're actually in a _panic_ situation, then yes -- we want to wait,
and that's what the device driver's panic_write() method should do.

But for less critical output? I'm not so sure.

Of course, I'm currently looking at revamping the MTD APIs so they're
not entirely synchronous, and are queue-based like the block device API.
Then the console ->write() method could just queue the write, and we
need some other logic to ensure that it really does _happen_ when the
system crashes. A kind of 'purge queue of console writes' function in a
panic handler... except that as you point out, sometimes we actually
want that even when we haven't actually panicked.

-- 
dwmw2


  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-12 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-11  6:10 Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:23   ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 11:25   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:37     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:01       ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:09         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:15           ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:33               ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:48                   ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2009-10-12 13:06               ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:15                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:39                   ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 14:30                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:01                       ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 15:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:29                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 17:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 18:09                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:36                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:45                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 19:14                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:18                             ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-13  7:58                             ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13  8:57                               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-13 13:17                             ` [PATCH/RFC v5 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:21                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 4/5]: core: Add dump device to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 15:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-26  9:36                                 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30  7:27                                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  7:46                                     ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30  8:51                                       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  9:35                                         ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30  9:40                                           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  9:53                                             ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30  9:54                                             ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 10:23                                         ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:27                                           ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30  9:09                                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  9:28                                     ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a dump_device Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:34                             ` [PATCH v6 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:40                               ` [PATCH v6 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 4/5]: core: Add kernel message dumper to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 16:49                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a kmsg_dumper Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 15:12                                 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-15  5:11                                   ` vimal singh
2009-10-12 12:27           ` [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:32             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:08               ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 13:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:32                   ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 14:26                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:36                       ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 15:14                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:32                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-12 19:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:12       ` Arjan van de Ven

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