From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>,
Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Koskinen Aaro (Nokia-D/Helsinki)" <aaro.koskinen@nokia.com>,
linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:48:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1255351683.30919.5.camel@macbook.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091012123630.GA23285@elte.hu>
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 14:36 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> Well other than not using sleeping locks in that codepath it should be
> properly serializable. If the serial driver, netconsole, fbcon and all
> the other non-trivial console drivers can do it then MTD should be able
> to do it too.
It's distinctly non-trivial. A 'real' user of the hardware may have just
triggered a block erase, which could take hundreds (or even thousands)
of milliseconds to complete. We can't always suspend that erase; do we
really want to _wait_ for it?
If we're actually in a _panic_ situation, then yes -- we want to wait,
and that's what the device driver's panic_write() method should do.
But for less critical output? I'm not so sure.
Of course, I'm currently looking at revamping the MTD APIs so they're
not entirely synchronous, and are queue-based like the block device API.
Then the console ->write() method could just queue the write, and we
need some other logic to ensure that it really does _happen_ when the
system crashes. A kind of 'purge queue of console writes' function in a
panic handler... except that as you point out, sometimes we actually
want that even when we haven't actually panicked.
--
dwmw2
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-12 12:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-11 6:10 Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:23 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 11:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:33 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:48 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2009-10-12 13:06 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:39 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 15:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:29 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 17:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 18:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 19:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-13 7:58 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 8:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-13 13:17 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:21 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 4/5]: core: Add dump device to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-26 9:36 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 7:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 7:46 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:35 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 9:40 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:53 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30 9:54 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 9:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:28 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a dump_device Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:34 ` [PATCH v6 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 4/5]: core: Add kernel message dumper to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a kmsg_dumper Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 15:12 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-15 5:11 ` vimal singh
2009-10-12 12:27 ` [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 13:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:36 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 15:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:32 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
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