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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/3] perf: Take a hot regs snapshot for trace events
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:16:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1267715801.10871.191.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100304112531.GF21977@elte.hu>

On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 12:25 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 12:07 -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > oops, my bad :-), I thought this was in the x86 arch directory. For the
> > > University, I was helping them with adding trace points for page faults
> > > when I came across this in arch/x86/mm/fault.c:
> > > 
> > >         perf_sw_event(PERF_COUNT_SW_PAGE_FAULTS, 1, 0, regs, address);
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is what I actually was wondering about. Why is it a "perf only" trace 
> > > point instead of a TRACE_EVENT()?
> > 
> > Because I wanted to make perf usable without having to rely on funny 
> > tracepoints. That is, I am less worried about committing software counters 
> > to ABI than I am about TRACE_EVENT(), which still gives me a terribly 
> > uncomfortable feeling.
> 
> I'd still like a much less error-prone and work-intense way of doing it.
> 
> I'd suggest we simply add a TRACE_EVENT_ABI() for such cases, where we really 
> want to expose a tracepoint to tooling, programmatically. Maybe even change 
> the usage sites to trace_foo_ABI(), to make it really clear and to make people 
> aware of the consequences.

Would this still be available as a normal trace event?

> 
> > Also, building with all CONFIG_TRACE_*=n will still yield a usable perf, 
> > which is something the embedded people might fancy, all that TRACE stuff 
> > adds lots of code.
> 
> Not a real issue i suspect when you do lock profiling ...
> 
> Or if it is, some debloating might be in order - and the detaching of event 
> enumeration and ftrace TRACE_EVENT infrastructure from other ftrace bits. (i 
> suggested an '/eventfs' special filesystem before, for nicely layed out 
> hierarchy of ftrace/perf events.)

Actually, we already have a way to decouple it.

include/trace/define_trace.h is the file that just adds the tracepoint
that is needed.

include/trace/ftrace.h is the file that does the magic and adds the code
for callbacks and tracing.

The perf hooks probably should not have gone in that file and been put
into a include/trace/perf.h file, and then in define_trace.h we would
add:

 #ifdef CONFIG_EVENT_TRACING
 #include <trace/ftrace.h>
 #endif

+#ifdef CONFIG_PERF_EVENTS
+#include <trace/perf.h>
+#endif

This should be done anyway. But it would also let you decouple ftrace
trace events from perf trace events but still let the two use the same
trace points.

-- Steve




  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-04 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-03  6:54 [GIT PULL] perf updates Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-03  6:55 ` [PATCH 1/3] lockdep: Move lock events under lockdep recursion protection Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-09  7:18   ` Hitoshi Mitake
2010-03-10  0:10     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-09  8:34   ` Jens Axboe
2010-03-09  8:35     ` Jens Axboe
2010-03-10  0:05       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-10 15:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 15:56           ` Jens Axboe
2010-03-10 15:55         ` Jens Axboe
2010-03-09 23:45     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-10 15:55       ` Jens Axboe
2010-03-03  6:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] perf: Take a hot regs snapshot for trace events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-03  8:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-03 20:07     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-04 19:01     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-05  3:08     ` [PATCH 0/2] Perf " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-05  3:08     ` [PATCH 1/2] perf: Introduce new perf_save_regs() for hot regs snapshot Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-05 15:08       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-03-05 16:38         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-05 17:08           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-03-05 17:17             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-05 20:55             ` [PATCH 1/2] perf: Introduce new perf_fetch_caller_regs() " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-05 20:55             ` [PATCH 2/2] perf: Take a hot regs snapshot for trace events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-05  3:08     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-03 16:06   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] " Steven Rostedt
2010-03-03 16:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-03 17:07       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-03-03 17:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-03 17:45           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-03-03 20:37             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-04 11:25           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-04 15:16             ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2010-03-04 15:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-04 15:55                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-03-04 21:17                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-04 21:30                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-03-04 21:37                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-04 21:52                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-04 22:01                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-04 22:02                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-03-04 22:09                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-03  6:55 ` [PATCH 3/3] perf/x86-64: Use frame pointer to walk on irq and process stacks Frederic Weisbecker

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