From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755333Ab0EQTyW (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 May 2010 15:54:22 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:45270 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753126Ab0EQTyU (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 May 2010 15:54:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) From: James Bottomley To: me@felipebalbi.com Cc: Kevin Hilman , Alan Stern , linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, "Theodore Ts'o" , Geoff Smith , Brian Swetland , Kernel development list , Oleg Nesterov , Mark Brown , Tejun Heo , Linux-pm mailing list , Arjan van de Ven , Liam Girdwood , Matthew Garrett In-Reply-To: <20100517193952.GC14047@gandalf> References: <87hbm6cz90.fsf@deeprootsystems.com> <1274115885.4418.59.camel@mulgrave.site> <20100517174647.GA11512@gandalf> <1274119179.4418.68.camel@mulgrave.site> <20100517181252.GA14260@gandalf> <1274124267.4418.149.camel@mulgrave.site> <20100517193840.GB14047@gandalf> <20100517193952.GC14047@gandalf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1274125775.4418.182.camel@mulgrave.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 22:39 +0300, Felipe Balbi wrote: > hi, > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:38:40PM +0300, Felipe Balbi wrote: > > that's a whole other story. Hardware issues are things which in 99.999% > > of the cases we can't change. We have to work around them. Software > > bugs, on the other hand, can be fixed much more easily. I'm sure you > > agree with that, don't you ? > > > > Trying to make a comparisson between hardware bug and software bug is > > simply non-sense in this case. > > before you reply saying that most of the problems are firmware bugs, try > to file a bug to any of the usb storage manufacturers and wait for them > to fix. It's virtualy impossible, so let's consider it a problem that > has to be worked around. Right, because Firmware writers are from the rugged unresponsive uplands of planet ignore-user-complaints-and-eat-them-for-breakfast-if-they-file-bugs and Software writers are from the emollient responsive groves of planet harmony. Obviously what would work for one wouldn't work for the other. As a software writer, I fully buy into that world view. The trouble is that when I go to dinner with hardware people, they seem to be awfully nice chaps ... almost exactly like me, in fact ... James