From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: "Nicolas Pitre" <nico@fluxnic.net>,
"Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
"Arnd Hannemann" <arnd@arndnet.de>,
"Hemant Pedanekar" <hemantp@ti.com>, "Greg KH" <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-main <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
"Han Jonghun" <jonghun79.han@gmail.com>,
linux-arm <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ARM: allow, but warn, when issuing ioremap() on RAM
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:18:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1287076707.8749.12.camel@e102109-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsQVvoxeNGO6ToyKnFTdA=GfjdoY2yEQ3adHVA@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 16:02 +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Catalin Marinas
> <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > Well, even if you allow Device memory via ioremap in Linux and the
> > hardware behaviour is not "unpredictable", it is not guaranteed to act
> > as a Device memory. You get speculative accesses via the Normal alias
> > and you may also get dirty cache lines evicted at random from the Normal
> > mapping (unless you invalidated the cache before). The dirty eviction is
> > valid even for pre-ARMv6 processors.
>
> I'm not familiar with device memory, but anyway, IIUC you are saying
> the normal mapping (original) might not work as expected... That's ok,
> because the only alias that uses after the ioremap() is the second
> one.
No, I say that the Device memory that you are using may not work as
expected (i.e. Device memory). The other Normal mapping may be fine but
you don't care about it anyway.
> > It may be just theoretical but architecture licensees implement the
> > hardware according to the ARM ARM. If it says "unpredictable", they
> > don't need to care much about this scenario as it is not allowed in
> > software and the hardware can be further optimised (well, I think
> > "unpredictable" doesn't allow hardware deadlocking or security
> > implications, so the memory corruption cannot be that random, possibly
> > just restricted to that memory range). It is probably ok on current
> > hardware but I cannot guarantee, you would have to check on a
> > case-by-case basis (CPU implementation).
>
> Exactly, so it's not the end of the world if this is still allowed one
> more release.
Would there be any incentive for driver maintainers to fix the drivers
after one more release? AFAICT, this is a violation of the ioremap API
already.
But I don't have a strong opinion, only that if we allow ioremap for one
more cycle it would at least be better to use the ioremap_wc() hack I
posted to avoid memory type aliasing (cacheability attributes aliasing
would still be present but that's not that bad).
--
Catalin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-14 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-07 9:44 Felipe Contreras
2010-10-07 11:51 ` Baruch Siach
2010-10-07 12:29 ` [PATCH v2] " Felipe Contreras
2010-10-07 18:00 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-07 19:22 ` [PATCH] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-08 9:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-08 17:53 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-08 19:37 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-08 23:04 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-08 23:25 ` Greg KH
2010-10-08 23:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 0:00 ` Greg KH
2010-10-09 0:25 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 0:54 ` Greg KH
2010-10-09 2:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-09 3:04 ` Greg KH
2010-10-09 9:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 10:05 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-11 10:39 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 10:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-11 11:23 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-11 12:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 12:30 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-11 22:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-14 15:02 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-14 17:18 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2010-10-14 17:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 11:01 ` Pawel Moll
2010-10-11 11:03 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-16 2:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-16 9:43 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 0:10 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 0:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 9:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 10:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 11:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-10-09 11:43 ` Dave Airlie
2010-10-09 11:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 12:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 12:10 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 14:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 16:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 11:44 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-09 12:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 11:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 14:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-10-09 18:59 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2010-10-10 1:52 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 8:35 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-11 9:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-11 9:24 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-11 10:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 10:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-11 15:25 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-14 14:47 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-19 8:13 ` Colin Cross
2010-10-19 18:12 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-19 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <1290505382-16110-1-git-send-email-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
[not found] ` <20101123101210.GA18170@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
2010-11-23 10:39 ` About multi-line printk and the need (not) to repeat loglevel markers [Was: Re: [PATCH] ARM: mx3/pcm037: properly allocate memory for mx3-camera] Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-23 10:58 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-23 22:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-23 22:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-23 23:23 ` Joe Perches
2010-11-24 0:57 ` [PATCH] md: Fix single printks with multiple KERN_<level>s Joe Perches
2010-11-24 5:16 ` Neil Brown
2010-11-24 8:17 ` About multi-line printk and the need (not) to repeat loglevel markers [Was: Re: [PATCH] ARM: mx3/pcm037: properly allocate memory for mx3-camera] Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-24 8:56 ` [PATCH 0/6] add some KERN_CONT markers to continuation lines Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-24 8:57 ` [PATCH 1/6] ARM: " Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-24 8:57 ` [PATCH 2/6] block: " Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-24 8:57 ` [PATCH 3/6] net: " Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-28 18:48 ` David Miller
2010-11-24 8:57 ` [PATCH 4/6] init: " Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-24 8:57 ` [PATCH 5/6] mm: " Uwe Kleine-König
2011-02-28 15:17 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-03-01 21:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-02 5:28 ` Joe Perches
2010-11-24 8:57 ` [PATCH 6/6] tty/vt: " Uwe Kleine-König
2011-02-28 15:16 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-02-28 15:39 ` Greg KH
2011-02-28 15:50 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-02-28 16:04 ` Greg KH
2011-03-01 3:18 ` Greg KH
2010-11-24 9:09 ` About multi-line printk and the need (not) to repeat loglevel markers [Was: Re: [PATCH] ARM: mx3/pcm037: properly allocate memory for mx3-camera] Michał Mirosław
2010-10-09 0:45 ` [PATCH] ARM: allow, but warn, when issuing ioremap() on RAM Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 8:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-08 23:19 ` Greg KH
2010-10-09 3:36 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-09 10:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 17:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-09 20:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-13 16:17 ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-10-14 13:48 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-14 15:29 ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-10-16 2:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-17 13:05 ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-10-17 23:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-08 19:58 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-09 13:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 16:07 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 16:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 19:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-10 14:23 ` Pedanekar, Hemant
2010-10-11 9:26 ` Catalin Marinas
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