From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932437Ab0JRPcf (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:32:35 -0400 Received: from canuck.infradead.org ([134.117.69.58]:43390 "EHLO canuck.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755355Ab0JRPce convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:32:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Add OMAP hardware spinlock misc driver From: Peter Zijlstra To: Catalin Marinas Cc: Russell King - ARM Linux , Ohad Ben-Cohen , Hari Kanigeri , Suman Anna , Benoit Cousson , Tony Lindgren , Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Grant Likely , akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org In-Reply-To: References: <1287387875-14168-1-git-send-email-ohad@wizery.com> <1287406015.29097.1579.camel@twins> <20101018133502.GA12449@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> <1287409417.29097.1598.camel@twins> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:32:09 +0200 Message-ID: <1287415929.29097.1616.camel@twins> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 16:27 +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote: > Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 14:35 +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > >> In any case, Linux's spinlock API (or more accurately, the ARM exclusive > >> access instructions) relies upon hardware coherency support (a piece of > >> hardware called an exclusive monitor) which isn't present on the M3 nor > >> DSP processors. So there's no way to ensure that updates from the M3 > >> and DSP are atomic wrt the A9 updates. > > > > Right, so the problem is that there simply is no way to do atomic memory > > access from these auxiliary processing units wrt the main CPU? Seeing as > > they operate on the same memory space, wouldn't it make sense to have > > them cache-coherent and thus provide atomicy guarantees through that? > > With cache coherency you may get atomicity of writes or reads but > usually not atomic modifications. Sure, but you can 'easily' extend your coherency protocols with support for things like ll/sc (or larger transactions). Have ll bring the cacheline into exclusive state and tag it, then anything that demotes the cacheline will clear the tag and make sc fail.