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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] trace: Add user-space event tracing/injection
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:42:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1289997733.2109.743.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CE3CB8A.8060608@kernel.org>

On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 14:33 +0200, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On 11/17/10 2:30 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > What does the duration in milliseconds mean there? For things like
> >> GC and JIT, I want something like:
> >>
> >> void gc(void)
> >> {
> >>          prctl(PR_TASK_PERF_USER_TRACE_START, ...)
> >>
> >>          collect();
> >>
> >>          prctl(PR_TASK_PERF_USER_TRACE_END, ...)
> >> }
> >>
> >> So that it's clear from the tracing output that the VM was busy
> >> doing GC for n milliseconds. Barring background JIT'ing and
> >> pauseless GC, I'd also be interested in showing how much time the VM
> >> was actually _blocking_ the running application (which can happen
> >> with signals too, btw, for things like accessing data that's lazily
> >> initialized).
> > We can add two events: user_event_entry/user_event_exit - or we could use the string
> > to differentiate, and start it with:
> >
> >    "entry: ..."
> >    "exit: ..."
> >
> > And then the event timestamps (which are absolute and are available) could be used
> > to calculate the duration of this period.
> >
> > 'trace' could even be taught to treat such entry:/exit: strings in a special way, so
> > that you dont have to write Jato specific trace decoding bits?
> 
> Yes, makes sense. I like the API so lets convince others that it's 
> important enough to be merged. :-)

I don't much like it, Jato already does its own tracing for the anon_vma
symbols, it might as well write its own event log too (would need a
proper VDSO clock thingy though).

Both these, the anon_vma symbols and the events, should be implemented
in a libperf.so or the like so as not to rely on the crummy /tmp file
interface we've been using so far.

Apps can link against libperf_dummy.so to get weak stubs and LD_PRELOAD
libperf.so to get the real ones (perf record can do that LD_PRELOAD
automagically).

perf report will need to be taught to not only pick up the anon_vma
symbols but also look for the events to be merge sorted.

We already have this communication channel for Jato (due to the anon_vma
muck), might as well extend it.



  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-17 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-16 21:04 [ANNOUNCE] New utility: 'trace' Thomas Gleixner
2010-11-16 21:27 ` Darren Hart
2010-11-16 21:59   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-16 22:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 22:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-16 22:09       ` Darren Hart
2010-11-16 22:48         ` Darren Hart
2010-11-16 22:07     ` Darren Hart
2010-11-16 22:17   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-17  8:30     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 11:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 12:53         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-17 13:02           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 13:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 13:36               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 13:43                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-17 13:53                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 14:10                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-17 15:02                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-17 18:13                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17 18:29                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-17 18:30                           ` Darren Hart
2010-11-17 16:49             ` Darren Hart
2010-11-18 23:23       ` Joe Perches
2010-11-16 21:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17  1:37 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  1:47   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-17  3:16     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  3:34       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-17 19:00         ` Bob Copeland
2010-11-17 13:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 13:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 14:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 14:11         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 14:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 14:37             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-11-17 14:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 15:41               ` Tom Zanussi
2010-11-17 15:55                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-17 15:58                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-11-17 16:20                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-17 15:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 16:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-17 15:10           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-17 15:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 16:04               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-17 16:15               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-17 19:40                 ` Darren Hart
2010-11-17 18:23               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-18  5:58                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-11-18  6:00               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-11-17 15:33           ` Tom Zanussi
2010-11-17 18:36             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-17 18:53               ` Tom Zanussi
2010-11-17 19:02                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-17 19:25                   ` Tom Zanussi
2010-11-17 19:25               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-17  9:49 ` Philipp Marek
     [not found] ` <4CE38C53.8090606@kernel.org>
2010-11-17 12:07   ` [patch] trace: Add user-space event tracing/injection Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 12:17     ` Pekka Enberg
2010-11-17 12:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 12:33         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-11-17 12:42           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-11-17 12:58             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 13:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 13:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 12:24     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 12:30       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-11-17 12:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 12:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 13:10       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-17 13:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 13:33           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-18  1:18     ` Darren Hart
2010-11-18  8:55       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-18 16:25         ` hp
2010-11-18 18:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-18 19:13             ` AW: " Reichert, Hans-Peter
2010-11-18 17:06         ` Darren Hart
2010-11-17 12:47 ` [ANNOUNCE] New utility: 'trace' Török Edwin
2010-11-17 12:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 13:05     ` Török Edwin
2010-11-17 13:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 13:32   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-18  0:47 ` Ian Munsie
     [not found]   ` <20101118151141.GA3368@redhat.com>
2010-11-19  2:32     ` Ian Munsie
2010-11-19 15:23       ` Jason Baron
     [not found]       ` <4CECACF9.3080907@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <4CFD7182.4060206@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2010-12-07  4:03           ` PowerPC, ftrace: Add PPC raw syscall tracepoints & ftrace fixes Ian Munsie

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