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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: David Gibson <dwg@au1.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	joerg.roedel@amd.com, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chrisw@redhat.com, agraf@suse.de,
	scottwood@freescale.com, B08248@freescale.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] iommu: Add iommu_device_group callback and iommu_group sysfs entry
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:33:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1322735610.24294.9.camel@i7.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1322722110.26545.68.camel@bling.home>

On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 23:48 -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> I'm not sure if we're getting into VM usage with "assigning" terminology
> above.  You're free to architect qemu however you want on POWER to make
> groups be the assignable unit to a guest.  On x86, an individual device
> is the assignable unit for a guest.  Unassigned group devices will still
> be required to be held by vfio, they'll just be unused.  Thanks,

I'm not sure I understand this.

BY DEFINITION, the smallest assignable unit is the group, surely? Isn't
that the *point* of the groups? That the IOMMU cannot tell the
difference between the devices in the group?

So in *practice*, surely you cannot assign just *one* device from a
group? You can assign the while group, or nothing.

You might *pretend* to assign single devices, and we might try to cope
with the weirdness that happens when you want *one* device of a group to
be owned by one VM, another device in the same group to be owned by a
second VM, and a third device from the same group to be driven by a
native driver in the host. But why not just assign groups as a whole?
Surely that makes most sense?

Btw, did we get a quirk for the Ricoh multi-function devices which all
need to be in the same group because they do all their DMA from function
zero? I think we need another similar quirk for a Marvell SATA
controller which seems to do its AHCI DMA from its IDE function; see
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/757166

-- 
dwmw2


  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-01 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-21 19:55 [PATCH 0/4] iommu: iommu_ops group interface Alex Williamson
2011-10-21 19:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] iommu: Add iommu_device_group callback and iommu_group sysfs entry Alex Williamson
2011-11-30  2:42   ` David Gibson
2011-11-30  4:51     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-30  5:25       ` Alex Williamson
2011-11-30  9:23         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-12-01  0:06           ` David Gibson
2011-12-01  6:20           ` Alex Williamson
2011-12-01  0:03         ` David Gibson
2011-12-01  0:52           ` Chris Wright
2011-12-01  0:57             ` David Gibson
2011-12-01  1:04               ` Chris Wright
2011-12-01  1:50                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-12-01  2:00                   ` David Gibson
2011-12-01  2:05                   ` Chris Wright
2011-12-01  7:28                     ` Alex Williamson
2011-12-01 14:02                     ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2011-12-01  6:48           ` Alex Williamson
2011-12-01 10:33             ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2011-12-01 14:34               ` Alex Williamson
2011-12-01 21:46                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-12-01 22:37                   ` Alex Williamson
2011-12-01 23:14                 ` David Woodhouse
2011-12-07  6:20                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-12-01 21:32             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-10-21 19:56 ` [PATCH 2/4] intel-iommu: Implement iommu_device_group Alex Williamson
2011-11-08 17:23   ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-11-10 15:22     ` David Woodhouse
2011-10-21 19:56 ` [PATCH 3/4] amd-iommu: " Alex Williamson
2011-10-21 19:56 ` [PATCH 4/4] iommu: Add option to group multi-function devices Alex Williamson
2011-12-01  0:11   ` David Gibson
2011-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 0/4] iommu: iommu_ops group interface Woodhouse, David
2011-10-21 21:16   ` Alex Williamson
2011-10-21 22:39     ` Woodhouse, David
2011-10-21 22:34   ` Alex Williamson
2011-10-27 16:31 ` Alex Williamson
2011-11-15 15:51 ` Roedel, Joerg

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