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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>,
	Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-c6x-dev@linux-c6x.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-c6x-dev] [PATCH 3/9] c6x: Provide dma_mmap_coherent() and dma_get_sgtable()
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:22:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1358850164.2387.16.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50FE66C6.4040900@samsung.com>

On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 11:15 +0100, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 1/15/2013 5:56 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 15:07 +0100, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > On 1/15/2013 10:13 AM, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > Marek?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Vineet Gupta
> > > > <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Monday 14 January 2013 09:07 PM, Mark Salter wrote:
> > > > >> On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 11:44 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > >>> c6x/allmodconfig (assumed):
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c: In function ‘vb2_dc_mmap’:
> > > > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c:204: error: implicit declaration of function ‘dma_mmap_coherent’
> > > > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c: In function ‘vb2_dc_get_base_sgt’:
> > > > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c:387: error: implicit declaration of function ‘dma_get_sgtable’
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> For architectures using dma_map_ops, dma_mmap_coherent() and
> > > > >>> dma_get_sgtable() are provided in <asm-generic/dma-mapping-common.h>.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> C6x does not use dma_map_ops, hence it should implement them as inline
> > > > >>> stubs using dma_common_mmap() and dma_common_get_sgtable().
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> So are dma_mmap_coherent() and dma_get_sgtable() part of the DMA API
> > > > >> now? I don't them in Documentation/DMA*.txt anywhere.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Why does the default dma_common_mmap() for !CONFIG_MMU return an
> > > > >> error?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Wouldn't it be better to provide default implementations that an arch
> > > > >> could override rather than having to patch all "no dma_map_ops"
> > > > >> architectures?
> > > > >>
> > > > > Speaking for the still-reviewed ARC Port, I completely agree with Mark.
> > >
> > > dma_mmap_coherent() was partially in the DMA mapping API for some time, but
> > > it was available only on a few architectures (afair ARM, powerpc and avr32).
> > > This caused significant problems for writing unified device drivers or some
> > > device helper modules which were aimed to work on more than one
> > > architecture.
> > >
> > > dma_get_sgtable() is an extension discussed during the Linaro meetings. It
> > > is required to correctly implement buffer sharing between device driver
> > > without hacks or any assumptions about memory layout in the device drivers.
> > >
> > > I have implemented some generic code for both of those two functions,
> > > keeping
> > > in mind that on some hardware architectures (like already mentioned VIVT)
> > > it might be not possible to provide coherent mapping to userspace. It is
> > > perfectly fine for those functions to return an error in such case.
> >
> > It's not possible on VIPT either.  This means that the API is unusable
> > on quite a large number of architectures.  Surely, if we're starting to
> > write drivers using this, we need to fix the API before more people try
> > to use it.
> 
> I don't get this one. On ARM coherent mappings are implemented as 
> non-cacheable,
> both in userspace and kernel-space, so having a coherent mapping is 
> possible on
> VIPT architecture.

Only if you have an uncacheable bit in the architecture page table ...
which some of ours don't.

Regardless, setting pages Uncacheable is really a hack job on shared
buffers because it creates a huge slow down .... like an order of
magnitude more than simply copying the page, which I believe is the
current solution.

> There are common, already defined and widely used user interfaces (like 
> mentioned
> fbdev, v4l2, alsa) which rely on mmaping coherent buffers to userspace. 
> There are
> drivers which use coherent buffers for those interfaces. It is already 
> an issue
> to implement mmap call for those drivers as it requires some architecture
> specific assumptions. We wanted to remove those assumptions from the 
> drivers and
> move them to some common dma-mapping calls.
> 
> I agree that this might not be directly possible on non-mmu systems, 
> where mmap
> syscall is handled differently. Some architectures might also have some 
> hardware
> limitations, which prevents implementing such interface. That's ok, as 
> probably
> there is no drivers which will use this interface on this architecture.
> 
> > For PA-RISC (and all other VIPT, I assume) I need an API which allows me
> > to remap the virtual address of the kernel component (probably using the
> > kmap area) so the user space and kernel space addresses are congruent.
> 
> How such API would look like? What syscall might be used for it?

See next email.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-22 10:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-13 10:44 [PATCH 1/9] avr32: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 2/9] blackfin: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-15  8:12   ` [uclinux-dist-devel] " Jiang, Scott
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 3/9] c6x: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-14 15:37   ` [Linux-c6x-dev] " Mark Salter
2013-01-15  4:16     ` Vineet Gupta
2013-01-15  9:13       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-15 14:07         ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-15 16:56           ` James Bottomley
2013-01-21 20:00             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-21 22:59               ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 10:13                 ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 10:16                   ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 10:32                     ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 13:42                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2013-01-22 13:23                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2013-01-22 10:33                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-22 10:47                     ` James Bottomley
2013-01-23  9:47                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-23 10:29                     ` James Bottomley
2013-01-23 17:44                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-24 11:14                         ` James Bottomley
2013-01-24 10:49               ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-22 10:15             ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-22 10:22               ` James Bottomley [this message]
2013-01-23  7:23                 ` Vineet Gupta
2013-01-23  8:58                   ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 4/9] cris: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-14  8:38   ` Jesper Nilsson
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 5/9] frv: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 6/9] m68k: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 7/9] mn10300: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 8/9] parisc: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 11:36   ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 13:12     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 13:49       ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 14:52         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 16:37           ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 9/9] xtensa: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 16:01 ` [PATCH 1/9] avr32: " Hans-Christian Egtvedt

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