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From: Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@google.com>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <msnitzer@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH] dm: Make MIN_IOS, et al, tunable via sysctl.
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:57:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1377035833.24869.57.camel@bobble.lax.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1308201745130.8826@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>

On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 17:47 -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Frank Mayhar wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 17:22 -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Frank Mayhar wrote:
> > > > The device mapper and some of its modules allocate memory pools at
> > > > various points when setting up a device.  In some cases, these pools are
> > > > fairly large, for example the multipath module allocates a 256-entry
> > > > pool and the dm itself allocates three of that size.  In a
> > > > memory-constrained environment where we're creating a lot of these
> > > > devices, the memory use can quickly become significant.  Unfortunately,
> > > > there's currently no way to change the size of the pools other than by
> > > > changing a constant and rebuilding the kernel.
> > > I think it would be better to set the values to some low value (1 should 
> > > be enough, there is 16 in some places that is already low enough). There 
> > > is no need to make it user-configurable, because the user will see no 
> > > additional benefit from bigger mempools.
> > > 
> > > Maybe multipath is the exception - but other dm targets don't really need 
> > > big mempools so there is no need to make the size configurable.
> > 
> > The point is not to make the mempools bigger, the point is to be able to
> > make them _smaller_ for memory-constrained environments.  In some cases,
> > even 16 can be too big, especially when creating a large number of
> > devices.
> > 
> > In any event, it seems unfortunate to me that these values are
> > hard-coded.  One shouldn't have to rebuild the kernel to change them,
> > IMHO.
> 
> So make a patch that changes 16 to 1 if it helps on your system (I'd like 
> to ask - what is the configuration where this kind of change helps?). 
> There is no need for that to be tunable, anyone can live with mempool size 
> being 1.

I reiterate:  It seems unfortunate that these values are hard-coded.  It
seems to me that a sysadmin should be able to tune them according to his
or her needs.  Particularly when the same kernel is being run on many
machines that may have different constraints; building a special kernel
for each set of constraints doesn't scale.

And as I said, it's a memory-constrained environment.
-- 
Frank Mayhar
310-460-4042


  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-20 21:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-09 17:48 Frank Mayhar
2013-08-13 16:41 ` Frank Mayhar
2013-08-16 22:58 ` Frank Mayhar
2013-08-17 12:30 ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2013-08-19 13:40   ` Mike Snitzer
2013-08-19 15:04     ` Frank Mayhar
2013-08-19 14:00 ` Mike Snitzer
2013-08-19 17:54   ` [dm-devel] " Frank Mayhar
2013-08-19 18:15     ` Mike Snitzer
2013-08-20 21:44     ` [dm-devel] " Mikulas Patocka
2013-08-20 21:52       ` Frank Mayhar
2013-08-20 21:41   ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-08-20 21:22 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH] " Mikulas Patocka
2013-08-20 21:28   ` Frank Mayhar
2013-08-20 21:47     ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-08-20 21:57       ` Frank Mayhar [this message]
2013-08-20 22:24         ` Mike Snitzer
2013-08-20 22:52           ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-08-20 23:14           ` Frank Mayhar
2013-08-26 14:28             ` Mikulas Patocka

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