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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Boris Pismenny <borisp@nvidia.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Bug in short splice to socket?
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 21:38:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1379961.1685738320@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wh=V579PDYvkpnTobCLGczbgxpMgGmmhqiTyE34Cpi5Gg@mail.gmail.com>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> So a "splice_eof()" sounds fine to me, and we'd make the semantics be
> the current behavior:
> 
>  - splice() sets SPLICE_F_MORE if 'len > read_len'
> 
>  - splice() _clears_ SPLICE_F_MORE if we have hit 'len'
> 
>  - splice always sets SPLICE_F_MORE if it was passed by the user
> 
> BUT with the small new 'splice_eof()' rule that:
> 
>  - if the user did *not* set SPLICE_F_MORE *and* we didn't hit that
> "use all of len" case that cleared SPLICE_F_MORE, *and* we did a
> "->splice_in()" that returned EOF (ie zero), *then* we will also do
> that ->splice_eof() call.
> 
> The above sounds like "stable and possibly useful semantics" to me. It
> would just have to be documented.
> 
> Is that what people want?

That's easier to implement, I think.  That's basically what I was trying to
achieve by sending a zero-length actor call, but this is a cleaner way of
doing it, particularly if it's added as a socket op next to ->sendmsg().

Otherwise I have to build up the input side to try and tell me in advance
whether it thinks we hit an EOF/hole/whatever condition.  The problem is that,
as previously mentioned, it doesn't work for all circumstances - seqfile,
pipes, sockets for instance.

Take the following scenario for example: I could read from a TCP socket,
filling up the pipe-buffer, but not with sufficient data to fulfill the
operation.  Say I drain the TCP socket, but it's still open, so might produce
more data.  I then call the actor, which passes all the data to sendmsg() with
MSG_SPLICE_PAGES and MSG_MORE and clears the buffer.  I then go round again,
but in the meantime, the source socket got shut down with no further data
available and do_splice_to() returns 0.

There's no way to predict this, so having a ->splice_eof() call would handle
this situation.

David


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-02 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-24 15:32 [PATCH net-next 00/12] splice, net: Replace sendpage with sendmsg(MSG_SPLICE_PAGES), part 3 David Howells
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 01/12] mm: Move the page fragment allocator from page_alloc.c into its own file David Howells
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 02/12] mm: Provide a page_frag_cache allocator cleanup function David Howells
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 03/12] mm: Make the page_frag_cache allocator alignment param a pow-of-2 David Howells
2023-05-27 15:54   ` Alexander H Duyck
2023-11-30  9:00     ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-06-16 15:28   ` David Howells
2023-06-16 16:06     ` Alexander Duyck
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 04/12] mm: Make the page_frag_cache allocator use multipage folios David Howells
2023-05-26 11:56   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-05-27 15:47     ` Alexander H Duyck
2023-06-06  8:25     ` David Howells
2023-06-06 14:59       ` Alexander Duyck
2023-05-26 12:47   ` David Howells
2023-05-26 14:06     ` Mika Penttilä
2023-05-27  0:50   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 05/12] mm: Make the page_frag_cache allocator handle __GFP_ZERO itself David Howells
2023-05-27  0:57   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-27 15:54     ` Alexander Duyck
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 06/12] mm: Make the page_frag_cache allocator use per-cpu David Howells
2023-05-27  1:02   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 07/12] net: Clean up users of netdev_alloc_cache and napi_frag_cache David Howells
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 08/12] net: Copy slab data for sendmsg(MSG_SPLICE_PAGES) David Howells
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 09/12] tls/sw: Support MSG_SPLICE_PAGES David Howells
2023-05-27  1:08   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-30 22:26   ` Bug in short splice to socket? David Howells
2023-05-31  0:32     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-01 11:01     ` David Laight
2023-06-01 13:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-01 13:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-01 14:34       ` David Howells
2023-06-01 15:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-05 11:03           ` David Laight
2023-06-05 15:52           ` David Howells
2023-06-01 17:14         ` David Howells
2023-06-02  4:20           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-02  8:23           ` David Howells
2023-06-02 11:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-02 11:44             ` David Howells
2023-06-02 12:11               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-02 16:39                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-02 16:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-02 17:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-02 17:38                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-02 20:38                     ` David Howells [this message]
2023-06-02 20:50                     ` David Howells
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 10/12] tls/sw: Convert tls_sw_sendpage() to use MSG_SPLICE_PAGES David Howells
2023-05-27  1:13   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 11/12] tls/device: Support MSG_SPLICE_PAGES David Howells
2023-05-24 15:33 ` [PATCH net-next 12/12] tls/device: Convert tls_device_sendpage() to use MSG_SPLICE_PAGES David Howells

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