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From: Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	jeffm@suse.com, "Norton, Scott J" <scott.norton@hp.com>,
	tom.vaden@hp.com, "Chandramouleeswaran, Aswin" <aswin@hp.com>,
	Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hp.com>, Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] futex: Avoid taking hb lock if nothing to wakeup
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:03:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1385409830.12342.41.camel@dvhart-mobl4.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311251938570.30673@ionos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 20:47 +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > So with the atomic ops you are changing that to:
> > 
> > CPU 0                                 CPU 1
> > 
> >     val = *futex;
> >     futex_wait(futex, val);
> > 
> >     spin_lock(&hb->lock);
> > 
> >     atomic_inc(&hb->waiters);
> >     uval = *futex;
> >                                       *futex = newval;
> > 
> >     if (uval != val) {                        futex_wake();
> >        spin_unlock(&hb->lock);                if (!atomic_read(&hb->waiters))
> >        return;                                   return;
> >     }
> >                                       spin_lock((&hb->lock);  
> >     plist_add(hb, self);
> >     spin_unlock(&hb->lock);
> >     schedule();                               wakeup_waiters(hb);
> >     ...
> > 
> > which restores the ordering guarantee, which the hash bucket lock
> > provided so far.
> 
> Actually that's not true by design, it just happens to work.
> 
> atomic_inc() on x86 is a "lock incl".
> 
>  The LOCK prefix just guarantees that the cache line which is affected
>  by the INCL is locked. And it guarantees that locked operations
>  serialize all outstanding load and store operations.
> 
>  But Documentation/atomic_ops.txt says about atomic_inc():
> 
>  "One very important aspect of these two routines is that they DO NOT
>   require any explicit memory barriers.  They need only perform the
>   atomic_t counter update in an SMP safe manner."
> 
>  So while this has a barrier on x86, it's not guaranteed.


But it is guaranteed to be "in an SMP safe manner"... which I guess just
means that two writes will not intermix bytes, but no guarantee that the
value will be visible to other CPUs unless some kind of barrier is
explicitly imposed.

Correct?


> atomic_read() is a simple read.
> 
>  This does not guarantee anything. And if you read
>  Documentation/atomic_ops.txt it's well documented:
> 
>  "*** WARNING: atomic_read() and atomic_set() DO NOT IMPLY BARRIERS! ***"
> 
> 
> So now your code melts down to:
> 
>  write(hb->waiters)    |    write(uaddr)
>  mb                    |    read(hb->waiters)
>  read(uaddr)
> 
> I fear you simply managed to make the window small enough that your
> testing was not longer able expose it.

Does seem to be the case.

-- 
Darren Hart
Intel Open Source Technology Center
Yocto Project - Linux Kernel



  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-25 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-23  0:56 [PATCH 0/5] futex: Wakeup optimizations Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 1/5] futex: Misc cleanups Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  6:52   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 2/5] futex: Check for pi futex_q only once Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  6:33   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-24  5:19     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 3/5] futex: Larger hash table Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  6:52   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 4/5] futex: Avoid taking hb lock if nothing to wakeup Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  1:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-23  3:03     ` Jason Low
2013-11-23  3:19     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  7:23       ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23 13:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-24  3:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-24  5:15           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-25 12:01             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 16:23           ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 16:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 17:32               ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 17:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 18:55                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-25 19:52                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 19:47         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 20:03           ` Darren Hart [this message]
2013-11-25 20:26             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-26 13:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-23  4:05     ` Waiman Long
2013-11-23  5:40   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  5:42     ` Hart, Darren
2013-11-23  7:20   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched,futex: Provide delayed wakeup list Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23 11:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-23 12:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-24  5:25       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  5:55 ` [PATCH 0/5] futex: Wakeup optimizations Darren Hart
2013-11-23  6:35   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-11-23  6:38   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-12 23:31 [PATCH v6 " Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-12 23:31 ` [PATCH 4/5] futex: Avoid taking hb lock if nothing to wakeup Davidlohr Bueso

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