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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
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	Naoya Horiguchi <nao.horiguchi@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Chris Mason <mason@kernel.org>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	Eva Kurchatova <eva.kurchatova@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] mm/shmem: various (urgent?) fixes
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:12:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1398e842-db91-4482-949a-e21197a48b9c@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a8f01101-7d7d-4982-9cf8-04b754ba132a@linux.alibaba.com>

On 10/26/26 12:11, Baolin Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/26/26 5:40 PM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> the fixing fun continues.
>>
>> This is a handful of fixes for shmem/tmpfs. I sneaked in a related
>> hugetlb fix that stalled upstream.
> 
> Wow, thanks David!
> 
>> Some of the stuff is more urgent (patch #1, F_SEAL_EXEC, truncation
>> hangs), others are less urgent but still rather unpleasant.
>>
>> The majority are fixes from Anthropic that I cleaned up or reworked.
>> While doing that, I found a bunch of other issues and tried to fix them
>> somewhat cleanly.
>>
>> In general, shmem + swap handling is a nightmare. shmem_undo_range() is
>> such utter garbage it makes me want to cry. I mean, really, WTF did we
>> end up creating there. Does any expert here have time to clean that up and
>> make it *actually* maintainable.
> 
> Agree. :) I'll re-read shmem_undo_range() and take a close look at the issues
> you raised, and see if I can make shmem_undo_range() more readable.
> 
>> The following things are still broken in shmem_undo_range():
>>
>> (1) Truncate/punch of a single page of a large swap-error marker
>>
>> We don't split. Consequently, read access afterwards will still fail
>> instead of returning 0s.
>>
>> I have a fix to try to split (which can fail), but I don't consider it
>> that urgent, really. So I'm not including it. Might send it later
>> separately.
>>
>> Truncate/punch of a partial page can obviously never do the right thing,
>> as we cannot poison parts of pages ...
>>
>> (2) Truncate/punch whole pages within part of a large swap entry
>>
>> We try to read the entry, but if we are out of memory that might fail.
>> Consequently, we will not free up swap space and a re-read will not give
>> us 0s but the previous content.
>>
>> AI proposed a nasty NOFAIL patch which has too many nasty side effects
>> IMHO (allowing users to force-read pages and retain them afterwards even
>> though memory.max would disallow it). This needs a proper thought. Likely,
>> support for splitting large swap entries (and large folios in the
>> swapcache, which I recall is under development  by Kairui). But splitting
>> can fail ...
>>
>> (3) Truncate/punch of a part of a base-page swap entry
>>
>> We obviously have to read the page in, in order to 0-out the parts to
>> discard. That might obviously fail.
>>
>> Maybe we should install swapin-error markers if swapping during
>> truncate/punchhole fails, to at least tell user space on later access
>> that something went wrong? We might affect unrelated data, outside the
>> requested range, though. Anyhow, these are long standing issues and
>> I don't consider them urgent.
>>
>> They need a proper solution.
>>
>> I did my best trying to test these fixes. I was able to reproduce some
>> of the things (including unkillable truncation hangs), and the fixes seemed
>> to help.
>>
>> But again, shmem_undo_range() is just an absolute mess.
>>
>> Please prioritize review of these fixes, I want to get fixes for the
>> issues in a timely manner upstream.
> 
> OK. Will review and test this serires this week.

Thanks!

If there are better simple fixes, please do suggest them. Any bigger cleanups
ideally come on top.

BTW, the next time I get a flood of these patches, would you be willing to do
the early screening+revise? But be careful, some of them are pretty, pretty awful :)

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-26 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-26  9:40 David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 01/16] mm/mempolicy: charge shared policy nodes David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 13:38   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-26 15:44   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26 18:10   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-27  2:57   ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 02/16] tmpfs: keep the quota soft limits of an unused id David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 10:53   ` Jan Kara
2026-10-26 11:00     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 03/16] tmpfs: preserve explicitly disabled quota limits David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 13:37   ` Jan Kara
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 04/16] mm/shmem: honour F_SEAL_EXEC when an ACL is set David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 13:48   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-26 15:52   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26 19:07   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-27  3:45   ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 05/16] hugetlbfs: enforce F_SEAL_EXEC in setattr David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 13:49   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-26 15:55   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26 19:08   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 06/16] mm/shmem: hold off eviction in shmem_writeout() David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 15:14   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-26 18:44     ` Nhat Pham
2026-10-26 16:13   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26 18:32   ` Nhat Pham
2026-10-27  5:44   ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 07/16] mm/shmem: avoid moving the truncation start backwards David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 16:30   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26 19:21   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-26 21:13     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 22:39       ` Zi Yan
2026-10-26 23:16         ` Zi Yan
2026-10-26 23:24           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 23:28             ` Zi Yan
2026-10-26 23:30               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 08/16] mm/shmem: stop retrying folios that cannot be split David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 16:36   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26 17:08     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 17:59       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27  1:34   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 09/16] mm/shmem: preserve data in clean folios when splitting fails David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 17:12   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27  6:35     ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-27  2:00   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 10/16] mm/shmem: discard whole new large folios on fallocate rollback David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 17:15   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27  2:12   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-27  7:26   ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 11/16] mm/shmem: rescan after nonuniform folio splitting David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 17:26   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27  2:34     ` Zi Yan
2026-10-27  2:32   ` Zi Yan
2026-10-27  8:00     ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 12/16] mm/shmem: fix truncate hang in large swap entry David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 17:39   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27  8:59   ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 13/16] mm/shmem: preserve allocation errors when swapping in large entries David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 17:49   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27  9:18   ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 14/16] mm/shmem: fix truncate loop after boundary swapin failure David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 17:53   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 15/16] mm/shmem: fix accounting of swapin-error markers David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26  9:40 ` [PATCH 16/16] mm/shmem: fix truncation of files containing only " David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 11:11 ` [PATCH 00/16] mm/shmem: various (urgent?) fixes Baolin Wang
2026-10-26 12:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-10-26 13:23 ` Kairui Song
2026-10-26 20:08 ` Gregory Price
2026-10-26 21:09   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 21:24     ` Gregory Price (Meta)

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