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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	linux-audit@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com,
	eparis@redhat.com, sgrubb@redhat.com, ebiederm@xmission.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] namespaces: log namespaces per task
Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:51:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1399326698.2164.47.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140505214818.GC6867@madcap2.tricolour.ca>

On Mon, 2014-05-05 at 17:48 -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> On 14/05/05, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting James Bottomley (James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com):
> > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:12 -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> > > > Questions:
> > > > Is there a way to link serial numbers of namespaces involved in migration of a
> > > > container to another kernel?  (I had a brief look at CRIU.)  Is there a unique
> > > > identifier for each running instance of a kernel?  Or at least some identifier
> > > > within the container migration realm?
> > > 
> > > Are you asking for a way of distinguishing an migrated container from an
> > > unmigrated one?  The answer is pretty much "no" because the job of
> > > migration is to restore to the same state as much as possible.
> > > 
> > > Reading between the lines, I think your goal is to correlate audit
> > > information across a container migration, right?  Ideally the management
> > > system should be able to cough up an audit trail for a container
> > > wherever it's running and however many times it's been migrated?
> > > 
> > > In that case, I think your idea of a numeric serial number in a dense
> > > range is wrong.  Because the range is dense you're obviously never going
> > > to be able to use the same serial number across a migration.  However,
> > 
> > Ah, but I was being silly before, we can actually address this pretty
> > simply.  If we just (for instance) add
> > /proc/self/ns/{ic,mnt,net,pid,user,uts}_seq containing the serial number
> > for the relevant ns for the task, then criu can dump this info at
> > checkpoint.  Then at restart it can dump an audit message per task and
> > ns saying old_serial=%x,new_serial=%x.  That way the audit log reader
> > can if it cares keep track.
> 
> This is the sort of idea I had in mind...

OK, but I don't understand then why you need a serial number.  There are
plenty of things we preserve across a migration, like namespace name for
instance.  Could you explain what function it performs because I think I
might be missing something.

Thanks,

James


> > -serge
> > 
> > (Another, more heavyweight approach would be to track all ns hierarchies
> > and make the serial numbers per-namespace-instance.  So my container's
> > pidns serial might be 0x2, and if it clones a new pidns that would be
> > "(0x2,0x1)" on the host, or just 0x1 inside the container.  But we don't
> > need that if the simple userspace approach suffices)
> 
> This sounds manageable...
> 
> - RGB
> 
> --
> Richard Guy Briggs <rbriggs@redhat.com>
> Senior Software Engineer, Kernel Security, AMER ENG Base Operating Systems, Red Hat
> Remote, Ottawa, Canada
> Voice: +1.647.777.2635, Internal: (81) 32635, Alt: +1.613.693.0684x3545




  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-05 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-22 18:12 Richard Guy Briggs
2014-04-22 18:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] namespaces: give each namespace a serial number Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-01 22:51   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-05-02 14:15     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-02 20:50       ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-22 18:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] audit: log namespace serial numbers Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-01 23:01   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-05-01 22:32 ` [PATCH 0/2] namespaces: log namespaces per task Serge E. Hallyn
2014-05-02 14:28   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-02 21:00     ` Serge Hallyn
2014-05-05 21:29       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-05  9:23     ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-05-06 21:15       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-07  9:35         ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-05-03 21:58 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-05  3:48   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-05-05 21:48     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-05 21:51       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2014-05-05 22:11         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-05 22:24           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-05 22:27         ` Serge Hallyn
2014-05-05 22:30           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-05 22:36             ` Serge Hallyn
2014-05-05 23:23               ` James Bottomley
2014-05-06  3:27                 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-05-06  4:59                   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-06 14:50                     ` Serge Hallyn
2014-05-06 21:59                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-06 12:35                 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-05-06 21:41                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-06 23:57                   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-05 21:44   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-05-06  3:33     ` Serge Hallyn
2014-05-06 14:03       ` Richard Guy Briggs

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