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From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, mingo@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/9] locktorture: Support mutexes
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:13:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1410574435.18218.12.camel@linux-t7sj.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140912191224.GL4775@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2014-09-12 at 12:12 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:56:31AM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > On Fri, 2014-09-12 at 11:02 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 08:40:18PM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > > > +static void torture_mutex_delay(struct torture_random_state *trsp)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	const unsigned long longdelay_ms = 100;
> > > > +
> > > > +	/* We want a long delay occasionally to force massive contention.  */
> > > > +	if (!(torture_random(trsp) %
> > > > +	      (nrealwriters_stress * 2000 * longdelay_ms)))
> > > > +		mdelay(longdelay_ms * 5);
> > > 
> > > So let's see...  We wait 500 milliseconds about once per 200,000 operations
> > > per writer.  So if we have 5 writers, we wait 500 milliseconds per million
> > > operations.  So each writer will do about 200,000 operations, then there
> > > will be a half-second gap.  But each short operation holds the lock for
> > > 20 milliseconds, which takes several hours to work through the million
> > > operations.
> > > 
> > > So it looks to me like you are in massive contention state either way,
> > > at least until the next stutter interval shows up.
> > > 
> > > Is that the intent?  Or am I missing something here?
> > 
> > Ah, nice description. Yes, I am aiming for constant massive contention
> > (should have mentioned this, sorry). I believe it stresses the more
> > interesting parts of mutexes -- and rwsems, for that matter. If you
> > think it's excessive, we could decrease the the large wait and/or
> > increase the short one. I used the factor of the delay by the default
> > stutter value -- we could also make it always equal.
> 
> Don't get me wrong -- I am all for massive contention testing.  It is
> just that from what I can see, you aren't getting any real additional
> benefit out of the 500-millisecond wait.  Having even as few as (say)
> three tasks each repeatedly acquiring the lock and blocking for 20
> milliseconds ("else" clause below) will give you maximal contention.
> I cannot see how occasionally blocking for 500 milliseconds can do much
> of anything to increase the contention level.
> 
> Now if the common case was to acquire and then immediately release the
> lock, I could see how throwing in the occasional delay would be very
> useful. 

Right, that's what we do in the case of spinlock torturing.

> But for exclusive locks, a few tens of microseconds delay would
> probably suffice to give you a maximal contention event.  Yes, you do
> have a one-jiffy delay in the lock_torture_writer() loop, but it happens
> only one loop out of one million -- and if that is what you are worried
> about, a two-jiffy delay in the critical section would -guarantee- you
> a maximal contention event in most cases.

Ok yeah, no need to increase the jiffy delay.

> So my concern is that the large values you have are mostly slowing down
> the test and thus reducing its intensity.  But again, I could easily be
> missing something here.

You aren't. My rationale behind it was to have long and the occasional
very-long hold times. I'm thinking of either removing the 500 ms delay
altogether, or decreasing both delays by ~10x. That should provide a
more distributed contention between level between both delays. Threads
blocking for ~2ms should be quite ok for us.

Thanks,
Davidlohr


  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-13  2:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-12  3:40 [PATCH -tip 0/9] locktorture: Improve and expand lock torturing Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12  3:40 ` [PATCH 1/9] locktorture: Rename locktorture_runnable parameter Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12 17:40   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12 17:51     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12  3:40 ` [PATCH 2/9] locktorture: Add documentation Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12  5:28   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-13  1:10   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-09-16 19:35     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12  3:40 ` [PATCH 3/9] locktorture: Support mutexes Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12 18:02   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12 18:56     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12 19:12       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-13  2:13         ` Davidlohr Bueso [this message]
2014-09-12  3:40 ` [PATCH 4/9] locktorture: Teach about lock debugging Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12  3:40 ` [PATCH 5/9] locktorture: Make statistics generic Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12  3:40 ` [PATCH 6/9] torture: Address race in module cleanup Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12 18:04   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12 18:28     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12 19:03       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12  4:40 ` [PATCH 7/9] locktorture: Add infrastructure for torturing read locks Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12 16:06   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12 18:02     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12  4:41 ` [PATCH 8/9] locktorture: Support rwsems Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12  7:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-12 14:49     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-09-12 18:07   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-12  4:42 ` [PATCH 9/9] locktorture: Introduce torture context Davidlohr Bueso

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