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From: Bart Van Assche <Bart.VanAssche@wdc.com>
To: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	"swanson@eng.ucsd.edu" <swanson@eng.ucsd.edu>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "dan.j.williams@intel.com" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"steven.swanson@gmail.com" <steven.swanson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 01/16] NOVA: Documentation
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:09:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1501859388.2757.1.camel@wdc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <150174649708.104003.4595004262958377346.stgit@hn>

On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 00:48 -0700, Steven Swanson wrote:
> +### DAX Support
> +
> +Supporting DAX efficiently is a core feature of NOVA and one of the challenges
> +in designing NOVA is reconciling DAX support which aims to avoid file system
> +intervention when file data changes, and other features that require such
> +intervention.
> +
> +NOVA's philosophy with respect to DAX is that when a program uses DAX mmap to
> +to modify a file, the program must take full responsibility for that data and
> +NOVA must ensure that the memory will behave as expected.  At other times, the
> +file system provides protection.  This approach has several implications:
> +
> +1. Implementing `msync()` in user space works fine.
> +
> +2. While a file is mmap'd, it is not protected by NOVA's RAID-style parity
> +mechanism, because protecting it would be too expensive.  When the file is
> +unmapped and/or during file system recovery, protection is restored.
> +
> +3. The snapshot mechanism must be careful about the order in which in adds
> +pages to the file's snapshot image.

Hello Steven,

Thank you for having shared this very interesting work. After having read the
NOVA paper and patch 01/16 I have a question for you. Does the above mean that
COW is disabled for writable mmap-ed files? If so, what is the reason behind
this? Is there a fundamental issue that does not allow to implement COW for
writable mmap-ed files? Or have you perhaps tried to implement this and was the
performance not sufficient? Please note that I'm neither a filesystem nor a
persistent memory expert.

Thanks,

Bart.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-04 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-03  7:48 [RFC 00/16] NOVA: a new file system for persistent memory Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:48 ` [RFC 01/16] NOVA: Documentation Steven Swanson
2017-08-03 22:38   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-04 15:09   ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2017-08-06  3:28     ` Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:48 ` [RFC 02/16] NOVA: Superblock and fs layout Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:48 ` [RFC 03/16] NOVA: PMEM allocation system Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:48 ` [RFC 04/16] NOVA: Inode operations and structures Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:48 ` [RFC 05/16] NOVA: Log data structures and operations Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:48 ` [RFC 06/16] NOVA: Lite-weight journaling for complex ops Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:48 ` [RFC 07/16] NOVA: File and directory operations Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 08/16] NOVA: Garbage collection Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 09/16] NOVA: DAX code Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 10/16] NOVA: File data protection Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 11/16] NOVA: Snapshot support Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 12/16] NOVA: Recovery code Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 13/16] NOVA: Sysfs and ioctl Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 14/16] NOVA: Read-only pmem devices Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:49 ` [RFC 15/16] NOVA: Performance measurement Steven Swanson
2017-08-03  7:50 ` [RFC 16/16] NOVA: Build infrastructure Steven Swanson
2017-10-09 15:32 ` [RFC 00/16] NOVA: a new file system for persistent memory Miklos Szeredi

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