From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752762AbaINQUW (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:20:22 -0400 Received: from v094114.home.net.pl ([79.96.170.134]:63501 "HELO v094114.home.net.pl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1752668AbaINQUU (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:20:20 -0400 From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" To: Michal Hocko Cc: Tejun Heo , Cong Wang , LKML , David Rientjes , Andrew Morton Subject: Re: [Patch v4 1/2] freezer: check OOM kill while being frozen Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:39:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1507312.nQ09A9EeVa@vostro.rjw.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.11.5 (Linux/3.16.0-rc5+; KDE/4.11.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20140911144509.GM22042@dhcp22.suse.cz> References: <1409869842-10807-1-git-send-email-xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com> <23520581.7q253rZGaa@vostro.rjw.lan> <20140911144509.GM22042@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thursday, September 11, 2014 04:45:09 PM Michal Hocko wrote: > On Thu 11-09-14 16:52:50, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 04:28:22 PM Michal Hocko wrote: > > > On Thu 11-09-14 16:32:50, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 04:10:51 PM Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > > On Thu 11-09-14 16:26:56, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 04:04:48 PM Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu 11-09-14 16:17:56, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > And I'm still wondering if the OOM killer may be made avoid killing frozen > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really tricky. OOM killer aims at the biggest memory hog. We > > > > > > > shouldn't ignore it just because it hides into the fridge... So even > > > > > > > if we "fix" oom killer to ignore frozen tasks (which is inherently > > > > > > > racy btw.) then we have a potential problem of freezer abuse (e.g. in > > > > > > > container environments). So I strongly believe that the OOM killer has > > > > > > > to be able to kill a frozen tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the OOM killer the only place where TIF_MEMDIE is set? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. To be precise, lowmemorykiller (staging android thingy), global OOM > > > > > killer and memcg OOM killer. Any other users would be an abuse. > > > > > > > > OK > > > > > > > > So can we ensure that those things don't trigger during system suspend (or > > > > equivalent) and then simply use the TIF_MEMDIE check in __refrigerator()? > > > > > > That would require that no memory allocation triggers OOM killer during > > > suspend. I don't think this will work out. OOM killer is the last resort > > > action. We cannot simply give access to memory reserves just because the > > > current context is in the middle of suspend. > > > > But we can fail the allocation, can't we? > > We already do that by oom_killer_disable after all tasks are frozen in > freeze_processes. This is before all other device specific things are > done so I guess we cannot start killing after any device is suspended, > right? This should be sufficient. Yes, it should. > > > What is the worst thing that might happen when a task is killed in the > > > middle of suspend? I thought that suspend would fail after several > > > attempts to suspend all existing tasks. > > > > The problem is what to do when we need to kill a frozen task. > > > > In that case we need to thaw it and then it will die eventually. Unfortunately, > > it generally can do something undesirable before dying. That may be accessing > > a suspended device, for example. > > OK, I have misunderstood you obviously. I thought we were discussing OOM > while we are in the middle of freezing tasks. After they are frozen > there is no OOM killer as per above. Right. -- I speak only for myself. Rafael J. Wysocki, Intel Open Source Technology Center.