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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Sebastian Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH PREEMPT RT] rt-mutex: fix deadlock in device mapper
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:18:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1511255884.7672.49.camel@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1711210931460.1782@nanos>

On Tue, 2017-11-21 at 09:37 +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2017-11-20 at 16:33 -0500, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > > 
> > > Is there some specific scenario where you need to call 
> > > blk_schedule_flush_plug from rt_spin_lock_fastlock?
> > 
> > Excellent question.  What's the difference between not getting IO
> > started because you meet a mutex with an rt_mutex under the hood, and
> > not getting IO started because you meet a spinlock with an rt_mutex
> > under the hood?  If just doing the mutex side puts this thing back to
> > sleep, I'm happy.
> 
> Think about it from the mainline POV.
> 
> The spinlock cannot ever go to schedule and therefore cannot create a
> situation which requires an unplug. The RT substitution of the spinlock
> with a rtmutex based sleeping spinlock should not change that at all.
> 
> A regular mutex/rwsem etc. can and will unplug when the lock is contended
> and the caller blocks. The RT conversion of these locks to rtmutex based
> variants creates the problem: Unplug cannot be called when the task has
> pi_blocked_on set because the unplug path might content on yet another
> lock. So unplugging in the slow path before setting pi_blocked_on is the
> right thing to do.

Sure.  What alarms me about IO deadlocks reappearing after all this
time is that at the time I met them, I needed every last bit of that
patchlet I showed to kill them, whether that should have been the case
or not.  'course that tree contained roughly a zillion patches..

Whatever, time will tell if I'm properly alarmed, or merely paranoid :)

	-Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-21  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-13 17:56 Mikulas Patocka
     [not found] ` <20171114151415.d5tazbuhfbjugepg@linutronix.de>
2017-11-15 17:08   ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-17 14:57 ` Sebastian Siewior
2017-11-18 18:37   ` Mike Galbraith
2017-11-20 10:53     ` Sebastian Siewior
2017-11-20 12:43       ` Mike Galbraith
2017-11-20 13:49         ` Mike Galbraith
2017-11-20 21:31       ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-20 22:11         ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-20 21:33     ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-21  3:20       ` Mike Galbraith
2017-11-21  8:37         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-21  9:18           ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2017-11-21 16:11             ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-21 17:33               ` Mike Galbraith
2017-11-21 19:56                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-21 21:20                   ` Mike Galbraith
2017-11-23 14:42                     ` Sebastian Siewior
2017-11-23 14:50                       ` Mike Galbraith

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