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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: KarimAllah Ahmed <karahmed@amazon.de>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	 Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	Asit Mallick <asit.k.mallick@intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	 Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Janakarajan Natarajan <Janakarajan.Natarajan@amd.com>,
	 Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Jun Nakajima <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 rkrcmar@redhat.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] x86/ibpb: Prevent missed IBPB flush
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 08:20:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1516868406.30244.16.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <332d3ac8a7018b98d8182ec86b5fc41239c667c6.1516840211.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>

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On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 16:36 -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> It is possible that the last uesr mm that we recorded for a cpu was
> released, and a new mm with identical address was allocated when we
> check it again.  We could skip IBPB flush here for the process with
> the new mm.
> 
> It is a difficult to exploit case as we have to exit() a process on a
> cpu, free the mm, and fork() the victim to use the mm pointer on that
> cpu. The exploiter needs the old mm to get recycled to the
> newly forked process and no other processes run on the target cpu.

That's what it takes to have the victim process leak information into
the cache. In order to *harvest* that information, the attacker must
then get run on the same CPU again? And since her first process had to
exits, as described above, she needs a new process for that?

I confess, with all the other wildly theoretical loopholes that exist,
I wasn't losing much sleep over this one.

> Nevertheless, the patch below is one way to close this hole by
> adding a ref count to prevent the last user mm from being released.
> It does add ref counting overhead, and extra memory cost of keeping an mm
> (though not the VMAs and most of page tables) around longer than we will
> otherwise need to. Any better solutions are welcomed.

This has no upper bound on the amount of time the user mm gets held,
right? If a given CPU remains idle for ever (and what happens if it's
taken offline?) we'll never do that mmdrop() ?

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-25  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-25  0:36 [RFC PATCH 1/2] x86/ibpb: Skip IBPB when we switch back to same user process Tim Chen
2018-01-25  0:36 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] x86/ibpb: Prevent missed IBPB flush Tim Chen
2018-01-25  8:20   ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2018-01-25 16:56     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-25  8:58 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] x86/ibpb: Skip IBPB when we switch back to same user process Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25  9:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 13:21     ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-25 13:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 14:07         ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-25 16:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 17:04             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-25 18:18               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 19:32                 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-25 19:34                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-25 19:45                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-25 20:46                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 21:04                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-25 21:57                       ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-25 22:01                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-25 23:07                           ` Tim Chen
2018-01-26  0:01                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 17:24             ` Arjan van de Ven

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