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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	juri.lelli@redhat.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	Youssef Esmat <youssefesmat@google.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	bristot@redhat.com, clark.williams@gmail.com,
	bigeasy@linutronix.de, "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Sum of weights idea for CFS PI
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 12:27:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <160a2ded-b8e0-acf0-a8b6-df1b0f2c0fa8@joelfernandes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221003161404.kdow5uyj7kvbqyxs@wubuntu>

There's a lot to unwind so I will reply in pieces after spending some time
thinking about it, but just for this part:

On 10/3/2022 12:14 PM, Qais Yousef wrote:
>> In this case, there is no lock involved yet you have a dependency. But I don't
>> mean to sound depressing, and just because there are cases like this does not
>> mean we should not solve the lock-based ones. When I looked at Android, I saw
>> that it uses futex directly from Android Runtime code instead of using pthread.
>> So perhaps this can be trivially converted to FUTEX_LOCK_PI and then what we do
>> in the kernel will JustWork(Tm) ?
> I guess it will depend on individual libc implementation, but I thought all of
> them use FUTEX under the hood for pthreads mutexes.
> 
> Maybe we can add a bootparam to force all futexes to be FUTEX_LOCK_PI?
> 

In the case of FUTEX_LOCK_PI, you have to store the TID of the 'lock owner' in
the futex word to signify that lock is held.

That wont work for the case above, Producer/Consumer signalling each other on a
bounded-buffer, right? That's not locking even though it is acquiring and
release of a limited resource.

thanks,

 - Joel

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-03 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-29 20:38 Joel Fernandes
2022-09-30 13:49 ` Qais Yousef
2022-09-30 15:44   ` Youssef Esmat
2022-09-30 17:42     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-30 18:10       ` Youssef Esmat
2022-09-30 18:45         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-30 17:34   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-03 16:14     ` Qais Yousef
2022-10-03 16:27       ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2022-10-04 16:30         ` Qais Yousef
2022-10-04 19:48           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-05  9:31             ` Qais Yousef
2022-10-04 20:27       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-05 10:04         ` Qais Yousef
2022-10-06 13:53           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-06 19:40             ` Youssef Esmat
2022-10-08 15:04               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-10 14:46                 ` Qais Yousef
2022-10-10 15:11                   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-12 14:30                     ` Qais Yousef
2022-10-04 11:50     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-10-04 14:43       ` Joel Fernandes

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