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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes (Google)" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri@intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/6] sched/fair: Consider SMT in ASYM_PACKING load balance
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 21:09:14 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1621422058.5rx5cxsjqx.astroid@bobo.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YKThlA2yZBT2KuvW@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Excerpts from Peter Zijlstra's message of May 19, 2021 7:59 pm:
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 12:07:40PM -0700, Ricardo Neri wrote:
>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 07:14:15PM -0700, Ricardo Neri wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:47:45AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
>> > > So I'm thinking that this is a property of having ASYM_PACKING at a core
>> > > level, rather than some arch special. Wouldn't something like this be
>> > > more appropriate?
> 
>> > Thanks Peter for the quick review! This makes sense to me. The only
>> > reason we proposed arch_asym_check_smt_siblings() is because we were
>> > about breaking powerpc (I need to study how they set priorities for SMT,
>> > if applicable). If you think this is not an issue I can post a
>> > v4 with this update.
>> 
>> As far as I can see, priorities in powerpc are set by the CPU number.
>> However, I am not sure how CPUs are enumerated? If CPUs in brackets are
>> SMT sibling, Does an enumeration looks like A) [0, 1], [2, 3] or B) [0, 2],
>> [1, 3]? I guess B is the right answer. Otherwise, both SMT siblings of a
>> core would need to be busy before a new core is used.
>> 
>> Still, I think the issue described in the cover letter may be
>> reproducible in powerpc as well. If CPU3 is offlined, and [0, 2] pulled
>> tasks from [1, -] so that both CPU0 and CPU2 become busy, CPU1 would not be
>> able to help since CPU0 has the highest priority.
>> 
>> I am cc'ing the linuxppc list to get some feedback.
> 
> IIRC the concern with Power is that their Cores can go faster if the
> higher SMT siblings are unused.
> 
> That is, suppose you have an SMT4 Core with only a single active task,
> then if only SMT0 is used it can reach max performance, but if the
> active sibling is SMT1 it can not reach max performance, and if the only
> active sibling is SMT2 it goes slower still.
> 
> So they need to pack the tasks to the lowest SMT siblings, and have the
> highest SMT siblings idle (where possible) in order to increase
> performance.

That's correct.

Thanks,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-19 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-13 15:49 [PATCH v3 0/6] sched/fair: Fix load balancing of SMT siblings with ASYM_PACKING Ricardo Neri
2021-05-13 15:49 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] sched/topology: Introduce sched_group::flags Ricardo Neri
2021-05-13 15:49 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] sched/fair: Optimize checking for group_asym_packing Ricardo Neri
2021-05-13 15:49 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] sched/fair: Provide update_sg_lb_stats() with sched domain statistics Ricardo Neri
2021-05-13 15:49 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] sched/fair: Carve out logic to mark a group for asymmetric packing Ricardo Neri
2021-05-17 14:21   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-05-18 19:18     ` Ricardo Neri
2021-05-13 15:49 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] sched/fair: Consider SMT in ASYM_PACKING load balance Ricardo Neri
2021-05-14  9:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-05-15  2:14     ` Ricardo Neri
2021-05-18 19:07       ` Ricardo Neri
2021-05-19  9:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-05-19 11:09           ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2021-05-19 12:05           ` Srikar Dronamraju
2021-05-17 15:18   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-05-18 19:10     ` Ricardo Neri
2021-05-17 22:28   ` Joel Fernandes
2021-05-17 22:34     ` Joel Fernandes
2021-05-13 15:49 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] x86/sched: Enable SMT checks for asymmetric packing in load balancing Ricardo Neri

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