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From: David Mosberger <davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com>
To: Jes Sorensen <jes@wildopensource.com>
Cc: "Siddha, Suresh B" <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@osdl.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	"Mallick, Asit K" <asit.k.mallick@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch] asm workarounds in generic header files
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:25:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16222.14136.21774.211178@napali.hpl.hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3llsxivva.fsf@trained-monkey.org>

>>>>> On 09 Sep 2003 15:51:05 -0400, Jes Sorensen <jes@wildopensource.com> said:

  Jes> I actually think this is degrading the code rather then
  Jes> improving it. Right now the various macros are located in the
  Jes> include/asm-<foo> directory next to the items where they are
  Jes> used. Moving it all into one big catch-all assembly file makes
  Jes> it a lot harder to read things and debug the code. I already
  Jes> took a look at the changes that went into the ia64 part of the
  Jes> tree and I really think that was a step backwards.

In my opinion, moving all the asm-stuff greatly improved readability
of the source code.  Especially for folks who are not intimately
familiar with GCC asm syntax (which is hairy _and_ platform-specific).

  Jes> In terms of compiling the Linux kernel, I will argue that the
  Jes> Intel compiler is broken if it cannot handle inline
  Jes> assembly. Inline assembly is just too fundamental a feature for
  Jes> the kernel. This is totally ignoring the question of whether
  Jes> one should be compiling the kernel with non-GCC in the first
  Jes> place.

I think the jury is out on this one.  Clearly it's a huge benefit if
you can make do without inline asm.  GCC has to make lots of
worst-case assumptions whenever it encounters an asm statement and,
due to macros and inlining, the asm statements are not just hidden in
a few leaf routines.  In my opinion, this experiment is at least worth
a try.  If it succeeds, great, if it fails (e.g., the Intel compiler
folks fail to keep up with the kernel), all we have to do is
rm intel_intrin.h.

	--david

  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-09 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-09 19:34 Siddha, Suresh B
2003-09-09 19:51 ` Jes Sorensen
2003-09-09 20:25   ` David Mosberger [this message]
2003-09-09 20:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-09 21:16       ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-09-09 23:44       ` David Mosberger
2003-09-10 16:22     ` Jes Sorensen
2003-09-10 17:02       ` David Mosberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-10  5:51 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-10  4:50 Siddha, Suresh B
2003-09-10  5:08 ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-09  1:04 Siddha, Suresh B
2003-09-09  2:27 ` Jes Sorensen
2003-09-09  6:40 ` Christoph Hellwig

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