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From: Nikita Danilov <Nikita@Namesys.COM>
To: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: Matthias Urlichs <smurf@smurf.noris.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.6.4-rc2-mm1: vm-split-active-lists
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:31:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16465.58851.227553.595591@laputa.namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4051D737.1050108@cyberone.com.au>

Nick Piggin writes:
 > 
 > 
 > Nikita Danilov wrote:
 > 
 > >Nick Piggin writes:
 > > > 
 > >
 > >[...]
 > >
 > > > 
 > > > By the way, I would be interested to know the rationale behind
 > > > mark_page_accessed as it is without this patch, also what is it doing in
 > > > rmap.c (I know hardly anything actually uses page_test_and_clear_young, but
 > > > still). It seems to me like it only serves to make VM behaviour harder to
 > > > understand, but I'm probably missing something. Andrew?
 > >
 > >With your patch, once a page got into inactive list, its PG_referenced
 > >bit will only be checked by VM scanner when page wanders to the tail of
 > >list. In particular, if is impossible to tell pages that were accessed
 > >only once while on inactive list from ones that were accessed multiple
 > >times. Original mark_page_accessed() moves page to the active list on
 > >the second access, thus making it less eligible for the reclaim.
 > >
 > >
 > 
 > With my patch though, it gives unmapped pages the same treatment as
 > mapped pages. Without my patch, pages getting a lot of mark_page_accessed
 > activity can easily be promoted unfairly past mapped ones which are simply
 > getting activity through the pte.

Another way to put it is that treatment of file system pages is dumbed
down to the level of mapped ones: information about access patterns is
just discarded.

 > 
 > I say just set the bit and let the scanner handle it.

I think that decisions about balancing VM and file system caches should
be done by higher level, rather than by forcing file system to use
low-level mechanisms designed for VM, where only limited information is
provided by hardware. Splitting page queues is a step in a right
direction, as it allows to implement more precise replacement for the
file system cache.

Nikita.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-12 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-11  0:04 Nick Piggin
2004-03-11 17:25 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-03-12  9:09   ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12  9:27     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-12  9:37       ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 11:08       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-03-12 11:47         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-12 12:44         ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 14:15           ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 15:05             ` Nikita Danilov
2004-03-12 15:28               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 16:31                 ` Nikita Danilov [this message]
2004-03-12 23:05                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 19:12             ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-12 23:23               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 19:12           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-03-12 23:50             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 21:46         ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-12 14:18 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-03-12 14:27 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 19:46   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-12 15:00 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-03-12 15:13 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-12 19:35   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-12 21:17     ` Mike Fedyk
2004-03-12 22:21       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-12 22:36         ` Mike Fedyk

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