From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S268167AbUHKS4Q (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:56:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S268168AbUHKS4Q (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:56:16 -0400 Received: from hoemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.226.161]:36244 "EHLO hoemail1.lucent.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268167AbUHKS4N (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:56:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16666.27552.585978.551609@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:55:28 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" To: Tomas Szepe Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Stephen Hemminger , James Ketrenos , Pavel Machek , Jeff Chua , netdev@oss.sgi.com, kernel list Subject: Re: ipw2100 wireless driver In-Reply-To: <20040811170208.GG10100@louise.pinerecords.com> References: <20040809201556.GB9677@louise.pinerecords.com> <20040810075558.A14154@infradead.org> <20040810101640.GF9034@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <4119F203.1070009@linux.intel.com> <20040811114437.A27439@infradead.org> <411A478E.1080101@linux.intel.com> <20040811093043.522cc5a0@dell_ss3.pdx.osdl.net> <20040811163333.GE10100@louise.pinerecords.com> <20040811175105.A30188@infradead.org> <20040811170208.GG10100@louise.pinerecords.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.14 under Emacs 20.6.1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Tomas> On Aug-11 2004, Wed, 17:51 +0100 Tomas> Christoph Hellwig wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:33:33PM +0200, Tomas Szepe wrote: >> > There are many people who don't want to mess around with hotplug just >> > to get a single driver to load. >> >> Then use a distribution that gets it right for you. Having gazillions >> of diffferent firmware loaders just because people are too lazy to set >> up the canonical one isn't where we want to go. Tomas> Agreed. But the point is, in the actual case of ipw2100, will Tomas> the removal of 40 or so lines of code justify killing the Tomas> functionality for those (lots) that use it? I don't think so. You can't have your cake and eat it too Tomas! You agree that having multiple firmware loaders in the kernel is bad, yet you still want to have your own special one in there? What's so difficult about setting up hotplug for this purpose anyway? John