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From: Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Team <Kernel-team@fb.com>,
	"acme@kernel.org" <acme@kernel.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Alexey Budankov <alexey.budankov@linux.intel.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] perf: Sharing PMU counters across compatible events
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:40:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <168F3761-98CF-4E91-B911-ECB9FCD68F0C@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191106091458.GS4131@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>



> On Nov 6, 2019, at 1:14 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 11:06:06PM +0000, Song Liu wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 05:11:08PM +0000, Song Liu wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> I think we can use one of the event as master. We need to be careful when
>>>>> the master event is removed, but it should be doable. Let me try. 
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, there is a bigger issue when we use one event as the master: what
>>>> shall we do if the master event is not running? Say it is an cgroup event, 
>>>> and the cgroup is not running on this cpu. An extra master (and all these
>>>> array hacks) help us get O(1) complexity in such scenario. 
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have suggestions on how to solve this problem? Maybe we can keep the 
>>>> extra master, and try get rid of the double alloc? 
>>> 
>>> Right, you have to consider scope when sharing. The master should be the
>>> largest scope event and any slaves should be complete subsets.
>>> 
>>> Without much thought this seems a fairly straight forward constraint;
>>> that is, given cgroups I'm not immediately seeing how we can violate
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> Basically, pick the cgroup event nearest to the root as the master.
>>> We have to have logic to re-elect the master anyway for deletion, so
>>> changing it on add shouldn't be different.
>>> 
>>> (obviously the root-cgroup is cpu-wide and always on, and if you have
>>> two events from disjoint subtrees they have no overlap, so it doesn't
>>> make sense to share anyway)
>> 
>> Hmm... I didn't think about cgroup structure with this much detail. And 
>> this is very interesting idea. 
>> 
>> OTOH, non-cgroup event could also be inactive. For example, when we have 
>> to rotate events, we may schedule slave before master. 
> 
> Right, although I suppose in that case you can do what you did in your
> patch here. If someone did IOC_DISABLE on the master, we'd have to
> re-elect a master -- obviously (and IOC_ENABLE).

Re-elect master on IOC_DISABLE is good. But we still need work for ctx
rotation. Otherwise, we need keep the master on at all time. 

> 
>> And if the master is in an event group, it will be more complicated...
> 
> Hurmph, do you actually have that use-case? And yes, this one is tricky.
> 
> Would it be sufficient if we disallow group events to be master (but
> allow them to be slaves) ?

Maybe we can solve this with an extra "first_active" pointer in perf_event.
first_active points to the first event that being added by event_pmu_add(). 
Then we need something like:

event_pmu_add(event)
{
	if (event->dup_master->first_active) {
		/* sync with first_active */
	} else {
		/* this event will be the first_active */
		event->dup_master->first_active = event;
		pmu->add(event);
	}
}

However, I just realized the event_pmu_del() path need some more thoughts, 
because first_active is likely the first one get sched_out(). 

Merging another email here:

>> If we do GFP_ATOMIC in perf_event_alloc(), maybe with an extra option, we
>> don't need the tmp_master hack. So we only allocate master when we will 
>> use it. 
> 
> You can't, that's broken on -RT. ctx->lock is a raw_spinlock_t and
> allocator locks are spinlock_t.

How about we add another step in __perf_install_in_context(), like

__perf_install_in_context()
{
	bool alloc_master;

	perf_ctx_lock();
	alloc_master = find_new_sharing(event, ctx);
	perf_ctx_unlock();
	
	if (alloc_master)
		event->dup_master = perf_event_alloc();

	/* existing logic of __perf_install_in_context() */

}

In this way, we only allocate the master event when necessary, and it
is outside of the locks. 

Thanks,
Song



  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-06 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-19  5:23 Song Liu
2019-09-30  5:36 ` Song Liu
2019-10-31 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-31 16:29   ` Song Liu
2019-11-05 17:11     ` Song Liu
2019-11-05 20:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-05 23:06         ` Song Liu
2019-11-06  9:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 17:40             ` Song Liu [this message]
2019-11-06 20:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 22:23                 ` Song Liu
2019-11-05 23:51 ` Song Liu
2019-11-06  8:56   ` Peter Zijlstra

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