From: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 13:19:40 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1716819121.765615.1791890380179@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <asz9AeFe3CutP73z@gremlin>
> Op 12-10-2026 17:42 CEST schreef Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org>:
>
>
> +cc the participants from that thread FYI. The original patch is at [2].
>
Thanks, Lorenzo.
> On Fri, Oct 09, 2026 at 12:05:06PM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> > On 09/10/2026 10:31, Sasha Levin wrote:
> > > The Maintainers Summit reached consensus to deprecate the Assisted-by
> > > tag. Remove the documentation requiring it.
> >
> > Please provide here some sort of arguments used in that summit
> > consensus/discussion. This basically reverts/changes previous consensus
> > [1], which is fine itself, but it lacks reasoning.
> >
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/workflows/2026070224-unholy-commode-cf45@gregkh/
>
> Thanks for linking that! It is important to ack previous discussion on
> this. Also LWN article is up now at [3].
>
> I'm less bothered than you might think by this change.
>
> The tag's useful for push back on review, but the only long-term strategy for
> slop is to aggressively ignore it.
>
> Linus has made that clear that that's fine.
>
> What kills the project is having 1,000 slop submissions that 2 or 3 people have
> to do something with.
>
> The only long-term solution to that is to hit mark read 1,000 times :)
>
There's a way to nuke drive-by authors and that is to require them to do
some kind of "proof-of-effort." So you want to contribute to the kernel?
Good, come to one of the OSS conferences, or LPC, or have some well-known
maintainer vouch for you, or do the kernel mentorship program. The point
is not that this cannot be gamed, but that the "gaming" in itself requires
some kind of investment, like proof-of-work.
We may miss the savant that for whatever reason cannot show up to a conference,
but Linux Foundation is already very supportive of funding people. And besides,
Linus has already made it clear that we can expect of people to be able to grow
into serious community members (which may include being able to effort time and/or
money for LLM access.)
This would solve most slop immediately, and we will know about LLM found bugs
anyway from cooperation with Anthropic and just the maintainers using LLMs.
Best,
Jori.
> Sasha - maybe worth linking the LWN article now it's up in the commit message
> and adding a little more detail around the decision?
>
> Otherwise LGTM:
>
> Acked-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org>
>
> --
> Cheers, Lorenzo
>
> [2]:https://lore.kernel.org/all/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/
> [3]:https://lwn.net/Articles/1099594/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-13 11:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-09 8:31 Sasha Levin
2026-10-09 9:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-09 10:09 ` Sasha Levin
2026-10-09 10:05 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-09 10:24 ` Greg KH
2026-10-09 15:20 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-10-11 1:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 15:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 11:19 ` Jori Koolstra [this message]
2026-10-13 12:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:50 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:24 ` Ricardo B. Marlière (SUSE)
2026-10-13 12:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 17:16 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:31 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:04 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-13 13:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:12 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:37 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:52 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 14:54 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:58 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 17:12 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 19:25 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 20:16 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 20:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-13 15:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 16:58 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-14 3:23 ` Theodore Tso
2026-10-13 4:24 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 5:56 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-10-13 6:18 ` Greg KH
2026-10-13 8:25 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 12:28 ` [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by reference Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 12:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:03 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:10 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:20 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 15:18 ` Mark Brown
2026-10-13 17:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 20:01 ` Shuah Khan
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