From: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>
Cc: david@lang.hm, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: limits on raid
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:47:07 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <18035.23867.576212.859440@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: message from Wakko Warner on Friday June 15
On Friday June 15, wakko@animx.eu.org wrote:
> As I understand the way
> raid works, when you write a block to the array, it will have to read all
> the other blocks in the stripe and recalculate the parity and write it out.
Your understanding is incomplete.
For raid5 on an array with more than 3 drive, if you attempt to write
a single block, it will:
- read the current value of the block, and the parity block.
- "subtract" the old value of the block from the parity, and "add"
the new value.
- write out the new data and the new parity.
If the parity was wrong before, it will still be wrong. If you then
lose a drive, you lose your data.
With the current implementation in md, this only affect RAID5. RAID6
will always behave as you describe. But I don't promise that won't
change with time.
It would be possible to have a 'this is not initialised' flag on the
array, and if that is not set, always do a reconstruct-write rather
than a read-modify-write. But the first time you have an unclean
shutdown you are going to resync all the parity anyway (unless you
have a bitmap....) so you may as well resync at the start.
And why is it such a big deal anyway? The initial resync doesn't stop
you from using the array. I guess if you wanted to put an array into
production instantly and couldn't afford any slowdown due to resync,
then you might want to skip the initial resync.... but is that really
likely?
NeilBrown
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-16 3:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-15 2:58 david
2007-06-15 3:05 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15 3:43 ` david
2007-06-15 3:58 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15 9:13 ` David Chinner
2007-06-15 22:21 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15 11:10 ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 16:23 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-15 17:20 ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 21:59 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-16 17:23 ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-17 13:00 ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-18 4:57 ` David Chinner
2007-06-21 2:56 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21 6:39 ` David Chinner
2007-06-21 6:45 ` david
2007-06-21 8:59 ` David Greaves
2007-06-21 17:00 ` Mark Lord
2007-06-21 11:00 ` David Chinner
2007-06-21 12:40 ` Mattias Wadenstein
2007-06-21 14:40 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-06-21 16:48 ` david
2007-06-21 18:30 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-06-21 20:08 ` Nix
2007-06-16 2:03 ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-16 3:47 ` Neil Brown [this message]
2007-06-16 4:40 ` Dan Merillat
2007-06-16 7:48 ` david
2007-06-16 13:38 ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 17:16 ` david
2007-06-17 17:16 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-18 17:20 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 17:28 ` david
2007-06-18 18:03 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:12 ` david
2007-06-18 18:33 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:40 ` david
2007-06-18 19:11 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 20:52 ` david
2007-06-18 21:46 ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-18 21:56 ` david
2007-06-18 22:00 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-19 20:11 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 20:51 ` david
2007-06-19 15:07 ` Phillip Susi
2007-06-19 19:28 ` david
2007-06-18 18:07 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 18:16 ` david
2007-06-16 13:33 ` David Greaves
2007-06-17 1:44 ` dean gaudet
2007-06-21 3:01 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21 8:49 ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 14:08 ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 1:47 ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 13:28 ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 17:28 ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 19:30 ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 19:54 ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 20:46 ` david
2007-06-17 20:44 ` david
2007-06-17 17:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-21 23:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22 2:24 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-22 8:10 ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 9:51 ` david
2007-06-22 12:39 ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 16:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22 16:55 ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 18:41 ` david
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