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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] mm/mseal: move madvise() logic to mm/madvise.c
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 17:41:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <184d7f4b-6ffd-4047-b245-aec32ebda9d6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nnm4cmygbeyzwxfwqduo5lq3d5cthuic5irof2l3tb5x43n2hz@mmjklktcfk2o>

On 14.07.25 17:31, Pedro Falcato wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 05:03:03PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> But now I wonder, why is it okay to discard anon pages in a MAP_PRIVATE file
>> mapping?
> 
> IIRC this was originally suggested by Linus, on one of the versions introducing
> mseal. But the gist is that discarding pages is okay if you could already zero
> them manually, using e.g memset. Hence the writeability checks.

What you can do is

a) mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, fd, ...)

b) modify content (write, whatever)

c) mprotect(PROT_READ)

d) mseal()

But then still do

madvise(MADV_DONTNEED)

to discard.


There is no writability anymore.

(Just a note that, with hugetlb, it is fairly common to 
mmap(MAP_PRIVATE) empty files and only work with anonymous pages.)

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-14 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-14 13:00 [PATCH 0/5] mseal cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm/mseal: always define VM_SEALED Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:31   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:20   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:32   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm/mseal: move madvise() logic to mm/madvise.c Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 14:56     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:18         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:24           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:27             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:37               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:31         ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:37           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:41           ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-07-14 15:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:52               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 16:01                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:18   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:33   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm/mseal: small cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:39   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:23   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:33   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm/mseal: separate out and simplify VMA gap check Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:17   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:23     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:25       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:40           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 15:35   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 15:40     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:43       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 15:47         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm/mseal: rework mseal apply logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:26   ` Pedro Falcato

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