From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265996AbUH0PPP (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:15:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S266139AbUH0POQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:14:16 -0400 Received: from c002781a.fit.bostream.se ([217.215.235.8]:50898 "EHLO mail.tnonline.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S266133AbUH0PNP (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:13:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:15:20 +0200 From: Spam Reply-To: Spam X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1888171711.20040827171520@tnonline.net> To: Rik van Riel CC: Hans Reiser , David Masover , Linus Torvalds , Diego Calleja , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4 In-Reply-To: References: <412EEB75.1030401@namesys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Hans Reiser wrote: >> Why are you guys even considering going to any pain at all to distort >> semantics for the sake of backup? tar is easy, we'll fix it and send in >> a patch. > It's not as easy as you make it out, and not just because > there are a few dozen backup programs that need fixing. > The problem is more fundamental than that. Some of the > file streams proposed need to be backed up, while others > are alternative presentations of the file, which should > not be backed up. No, not really. This is a user decision and should be options in the backup software. I don't think it is up to the kernel, filesystem, or the OS in general to decide what information the user want to retain or not. > Currently I see no way to distinguish between the stuff > that should be backed up and the stuff that shouldn't. > That problem needs to be resolved before we can even start > thinking about fixing archivers... The archivers should, as I said, allow the user to choose. It shouldn't be automatic. Default, should IMO be to store everything. ~S