From: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
To: vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Tony.P.Lee@nokia.com, kessler@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Event logging vs enhancing printk
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 07:42:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1979709341.1018338151@[10.10.2.3]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200204090821.g398LjX01722@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
> As I understand, Linus accepts new features only if they are improving
> kernel in some vital area significantly (for example, Ingo's new
> scheduler).
I think that's more true of 2.4 than 2.5, but a change should indeed
make some improvement to be accepted. What seems to be more vital
is that the cost:benefit ratio is advantageous ... much of the
discussions that Larry and I were having were oriented to keeping
the cost very low indeed ... if you didn't turn on event logging,
the cost would be pretty much 0 (just those macro unwraps).
> You'll need to show that "enhanced" printk/evlog is significant
> improvement and is worth the trouble. That won't be easy.
Having worked in Customer service for a long time on high end
systems, I know that having accurate error logging is critical
to fast problem diagnosis. Look at the other extreme which people
like Microsoft drift towards ... I hate it when you get error
messages like "Error. Something is wrong somewhere".
If the open source methodology of "many eyes fix bugs" is to work
as well as possible, we need to help those eyes to see as clearly
as possible.
M.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-09 14:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-04-08 23:18 Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-08 22:38 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-08 23:54 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-08 23:07 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-09 2:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-10 1:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-04-10 5:28 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-11 0:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-04-09 14:34 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-09 14:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-09 13:24 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-04-09 14:42 ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2002-04-09 18:17 ` John Alvord
2002-04-09 14:21 ` Michel Dagenais
2002-04-09 20:49 ` Brian Beattie
2002-04-09 21:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-09 22:28 ` Brian Beattie
2002-04-10 0:29 ` Brian Beattie
2002-04-10 1:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-10 11:24 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-04-11 15:11 ` Michel Dagenais
[not found] <OF7FF94B66.91DD315B-ON88256B95.00811EF0@boulder.ibm.com>
2002-04-10 8:21 ` Zoltan Menyhart
2002-04-10 13:08 Michael Holzheu
[not found] <OF58E93BB4.1862769F-ON85256B97.0047811A@pok.ibm.com>
2002-04-10 14:19 ` sullivan
2002-04-10 15:55 Larry Kessler
2002-04-10 17:13 Francois-Xavier Kowalski
2002-04-10 19:43 Larry Kessler
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204111358000.20722-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-04-12 9:30 ` Zoltan Menyhart
2002-04-12 12:41 ` Mark Hahn
2002-04-12 14:38 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-12 18:04 ` Karim Yaghmour
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