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From: Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>
To: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>
Cc: Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT pull] x86 vdso updates
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 18:01:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19938.28108.250080.666938@pilspetsen.it.uu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=y2vGbj_LMqyXzj4JPL+w_KL+=yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew Lutomirski writes:
 > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se> wrote:
 > > Ingo Molnar writes:
 > >  >
 > >  > * Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu> wrote:
 > >  >
 > >  > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu> wrote:
 > >  > > > 3. Add int 0xcc and use it from vgettimeofday.  It will SIGSEGV if
 > >  > > > called from a user address (so it has no risk of ever becoming ABI)
 > >  > > > and it will do gettimeofday if called from the right address.  (I like
 > > ...
 > >  > > Make it a real syscall but with extra constraints.  It would have the
 > >  > > same calling convention as the syscall instruction, but it would turn
 > >  > > into SIGKILL if the calling address isn't in the VSYSCALL page
 > >
 > > This will make things difficult for user-space dynamic binary instrumentation
 > > applications, since these normally execute generated code at different
 > > addresses than the original code.
 > >
 > > Is there a safe fallback for this particular vsyscall?
 > 
 > All of the vsyscalls have vDSO versions that work like any other code.

Easiest would be if we can simply map int $0xcc with rAX==FOO to syscall or
int 0x80 with rAX==BAR.

We currently don't even know about the vDSO, it's all just user-space code
to us.

 > Alternatively, if the dynamic instrumentation code knew about
 > vsyscalls, it could just not instrument addresses in the vsyscall
 > page.

Not instrumenting code is not an option, unless we can prove that the
code in question has no relevant side-effects or unexpected control-flow.
(Where "side-effects" relate both to the integrity of the instrumentation
engine and the application-specific payload it's attaching to the code.)

 > What existing applications would get broken?

My concern is ThreadSpotter, but any user-space dynamic binary instrumentation
engine that instruments down to the raw kernel interface (syscall/sysenter/int
instructions) would have a problem with syscalls that only work at specific
addresses.

Anyway, if I can map that vsyscall to a plain proper syscall, then I'm OK.

/Mikael

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-29 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-26 18:50 Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-26 21:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-27  6:12   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 11:36     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-27 11:59       ` richard -rw- weinberger
2011-05-27 12:10         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-27 14:59           ` richard -rw- weinberger
2011-05-27 15:05             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-29  9:51               ` richard -rw- weinberger
2011-05-29 14:57                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-29 15:10                   ` richard -rw- weinberger
2011-05-29 15:28                     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-29 16:40                       ` richard -rw- weinberger
2011-05-27 14:54       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-28 15:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29  1:41           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-29 14:39           ` Mikael Pettersson
2011-05-29 14:59             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-29 16:01               ` Mikael Pettersson [this message]
2011-05-29 16:35                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-29 18:06                   ` Mikael Pettersson
2011-05-29 18:44                     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-30  3:26                       ` Andrew Lutomirski

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