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From: Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Jaswinder Singh Rajput <jaswinderrajput@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [mingo@elte.hu: [git pull] headers_check fixes]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:51:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19f34abd0901271551h482b3337k8097849d2ddb26b4@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090127233159.GA26403@elte.hu>

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> It would be much better if we exported _much_ less and reduced our
> cross-section to user-space. Also, the include/linux/Kbuild rules are all
> but transparent: it would also be nice if whatever we exported was be
> visible straight in the header itself, to make it obvious to people who
> modify/extend those files that those definitions are going to be exported
> to user-space.
>
> Some __user_export tag on structures perhaps? I have no good ideas here -
> #ifdefs are ugly and tags obscure the purity of the code.

Something that might or might not be doable in practice, but at least
it's a suggestion that I haven't seen elsewhere:

Create an include/user/ directory that contains a "mirror" of the
include/ directory _structure_, so that random exported header
include/linux/foo.h now has two parts -- include/linux/foo.h and
include/user/linux/foo.h.

- include/user/linux/foo.h contains the definitions that are needed by
both kernel and userspace
- include/linux/foo.h contains the definitions that are needed only by
the kernel
- include/linux/foo.h can simply #include <user/linux/foo.h> and no
other change (to source files which _use_ this header) is necessary
- no dependency on a kernel header will exist in a "user" header --
that's how it is now, but this way is more explicit
- the whole include/user/ can be shipped verbatim to /usr/include (or
wherever it is needed)
- no #ifdef __KERNEL__ or #ifdef CONFIG_ stuff in the "user" headers;
no stripping or unifdefing is needed
- it's easier to see exactly what is being exported

Of course, obvious disadvantages are:

- less readable in the sense that what used to be in one file is now
spread across two
- the split itself would probably require a tremendous effort
- other things?

It's just an idea...


Vegard

-- 
"The animistic metaphor of the bug that maliciously sneaked in while
the programmer was not looking is intellectually dishonest as it
disguises that the error is the programmer's own creation."
	-- E. W. Dijkstra, EWD1036

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-27 23:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090127222825.GA27097@elte.hu>
2009-01-27 22:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-27 23:22   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-27 23:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28  0:12       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28  0:19         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28  1:02           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-27 23:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-27 23:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-27 23:51     ` Vegard Nossum [this message]
2009-01-30 14:01     ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-01-30 18:20       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-28  0:03   ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28  1:36   ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-01-28 12:37     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-01-28 17:48       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 19:22         ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 19:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28 20:03             ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 21:25               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 21:58                 ` [PATCH] x86: do not expose CONFIG_BSWAP to userspace Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 22:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28 22:40                     ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-30 20:37                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-28 22:15                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 22:38                     ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 23:04                       ` Ben Pfaff
2009-01-30 18:20                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 23:27                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 23:36                         ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 23:47                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-02-03 18:19                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-01-31 18:43                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2009-01-31 20:24                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 23:24                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-01-28 23:30                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 20:49             ` [mingo@elte.hu: [git pull] headers_check fixes] Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-28 21:23           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 21:06   ` Sam Ravnborg

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