From: Coly Li <colyli@suse.de>
To: Dongdong Tao <dongdong.tao@canonical.com>
Cc: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
"open list:BCACHE (BLOCK LAYER CACHE)"
<linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org>,
open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Gavin Guo <gavin.guo@canonical.com>,
Gerald Yang <gerald.yang@canonical.com>,
Trent Lloyd <trent.lloyd@canonical.com>,
Dominique Poulain <dominique.poulain@canonical.com>,
Dongsheng Yang <dongsheng.yang@easystack.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bcache: consider the fragmentation when update the writeback rate
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 12:33:35 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a4b2a68-a7b0-8eb0-e60b-c3cf5a5a9e56@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJS8hVK-ZCxJt=E3hwR0hmqPYL1T07_WC_nerb-dZodO+DqtDA@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/5/21 11:44 AM, Dongdong Tao wrote:
> Hey Coly,
>
> This is the second version of the patch, please allow me to explain a
> bit for this patch:
>
> We accelerate the rate in 3 stages with different aggressiveness, the
> first stage starts when dirty buckets percent reach above
> BCH_WRITEBACK_FRAGMENT_THRESHOLD_LOW(50), the second is
> BCH_WRITEBACK_FRAGMENT_THRESHOLD_MID(57) and the third is
> BCH_WRITEBACK_FRAGMENT_THRESHOLD_HIGH(64). By default the first stage
> tries to writeback the amount of dirty data in one bucket (on average)
> in (1 / (dirty_buckets_percent - 50)) second, the second stage tries to
> writeback the amount of dirty data in one bucket in (1 /
> (dirty_buckets_percent - 57)) * 200 millisecond. The third stage tries
> to writeback the amount of dirty data in one bucket in (1 /
> (dirty_buckets_percent - 64)) * 20 millisecond.
>
> As we can see, there are two writeback aggressiveness increasing
> strategies, one strategy is with the increasing of the stage, the first
> stage is the easy-going phase whose initial rate is trying to write back
> dirty data of one bucket in 1 second, the second stage is a bit more
> aggressive, the initial rate tries to writeback the dirty data of one
> bucket in 200 ms, the last stage is even more, whose initial rate tries
> to writeback the dirty data of one bucket in 20 ms. This makes sense,
> one reason is that if the preceding stage couldn’t get the fragmentation
> to a fine stage, then the next stage should increase the aggressiveness
> properly, also it is because the later stage is closer to the
> bch_cutoff_writeback_sync. Another aggressiveness increasing strategy is
> with the increasing of dirty bucket percent within each stage, the first
> strategy controls the initial writeback rate of each stage, while this
> one increases the rate based on the initial rate, which is initial_rate
> * (dirty bucket percent - BCH_WRITEBACK_FRAGMENT_THRESHOLD_X).
>
> The initial rate can be controlled by 3 parameters
> writeback_rate_fp_term_low, writeback_rate_fp_term_mid,
> writeback_rate_fp_term_high, they are default 1, 5, 50, users can adjust
> them based on their needs.
>
> The reason that I choose 50, 57, 64 as the threshold value is because
> the GC must be triggered at least once during each stage due to the
> “sectors_to_gc” being set to 1/16 (6.25 %) of the total cache size. So,
> the hope is that the first and second stage can get us back to good
> shape in most situations by smoothly writing back the dirty data without
> giving too much stress to the backing devices, but it might still enter
> the third stage if the bucket consumption is very aggressive.
>
> This patch use (dirty / dirty_buckets) * fp_term to calculate the rate,
> this formula means that we want to writeback (dirty / dirty_buckets) in
> 1/fp_term second, fp_term is calculated by above aggressiveness
> controller, “dirty” is the current dirty sectors, “dirty_buckets” is the
> current dirty buckets, so (dirty / dirty_buckets) means the average
> dirty sectors in one bucket, the value is between 0 to 1024 for the
> default setting, so this formula basically gives a hint that to reclaim
> one bucket in 1/fp_term second. By using this semantic, we can have a
> lower writeback rate when the amount of dirty data is decreasing and
> overcome the fact that dirty buckets number is always increasing unless
> GC happens.
>
> *Compare to the first patch:
> *The first patch is trying to write back all the data in 40 seconds,
> this will result in a very high writeback rate when the amount of dirty
> data is big, this is mostly true for the large cache devices. The basic
> problem is that the semantic of this patch is not ideal, because we
> don’t really need to writeback all dirty data in order to solve this
> issue, and the instant large increase of the rate is something I feel we
> should better avoid (I like things to be smoothly changed unless no
> choice: )).
>
> Before I get to this new patch(which I believe should be optimal for me
> atm), there have been many tuning/testing iterations, eg. I’ve tried to
> tune the algorithm to writeback ⅓ of the dirty data in a certain amount
> of seconds, writeback 1/fragment of the dirty data in a certain amount
> of seconds, writeback all the dirty data only in those error_buckets
> (error buckets = dirty buckets - 50% of the total buckets) in a certain
> amount of time. However, those all turn out not to be ideal, only the
> semantic of the patch makes much sense for me and allows me to control
> the rate in a more precise way.
>
> *Testing data:
> *I'll provide the visualized testing data in the next couple of days
> with 1TB NVME devices cache but with HDD as backing device since it's
> what we mostly used in production env.
> I have the data for 400GB NVME, let me prepare it and take it for you to
> review.
[snipped]
Hi Dongdong,
Thanks for the update and continuous effort on this idea.
Please keep in mind the writeback rate is just a advice rate for the
writeback throughput, in real workload changing the writeback rate
number does not change writeback throughput obviously.
Currently I feel this is an interesting and promising idea for your
patch, but I am not able to say whether it may take effect in real
workload, so we do need convinced performance data on real workload and
configuration.
Of course I may also help on the benchmark, but my to-do list is long
enough and it may take a very long delay time.
Thanks.
Coly Li
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-05 4:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-05 3:06 Dongdong Tao
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2021-01-05 4:33 ` Coly Li [this message]
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2021-01-08 4:05 ` Coly Li
2021-01-08 8:30 ` Dongdong Tao
2021-01-08 8:39 ` Coly Li
2021-01-08 8:47 ` Dongdong Tao
2021-01-14 4:55 ` Dongdong Tao
[not found] ` <CAJS8hVJDaREvpvG4iO+Xs-KQXQKFi7=k29TrG=NXqjyiPpUCZA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-01-14 10:05 ` Coly Li
2021-01-14 12:22 ` Dongdong Tao
2021-01-14 13:31 ` Coly Li
2021-01-14 15:35 ` Dongdong Tao
2021-01-17 7:11 ` kernel test robot
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2021-01-19 12:56 Dongdong Tao
2021-01-19 14:06 ` Coly Li
2020-11-03 12:42 Dongdong Tao
2020-11-04 5:06 ` kernel test robot
2020-11-05 16:32 ` Coly Li
2020-11-10 4:19 ` Dongdong Tao
2020-11-11 8:33 ` Coly Li
2020-12-09 2:27 ` Dongsheng Yang
2020-12-09 4:48 ` Dongdong Tao
2020-12-09 7:49 ` Dongsheng Yang
[not found] ` <CAJS8hVLMUS1mdrwC8ovzvMO+HWf4xtXRCNJEghtbtW0g93Kh_g@mail.gmail.com>
2020-12-14 17:07 ` Coly Li
[not found] ` <CAJS8hVKMjec1cpe_zoeZAJrfY0Pq9bJ51eO6E+g8pgN9jV3Nmw@mail.gmail.com>
2020-12-21 8:08 ` Coly Li
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