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[108.223.40.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d3-v6sm2429412pgq.16.2018.10.17.06.32.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 06:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors To: Geert Uytterhoeven , Josh Triplett Cc: James Bottomley , Linux Kernel Mailing List , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, tomi.valkeinen@iki.fi References: <20181017071902.30102-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181017091325.GA15991@localhost> From: Guenter Roeck Message-ID: <1a51fc4c-882c-59ef-7497-262e595af10e@roeck-us.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 06:32:36 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/17/2018 02:31 AM, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Hi Josh, > > Thanks for your comments! > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:13 AM Josh Triplett wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >>> Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false >>> impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be >>> allowed. >> >> This impression is, in fact, false, as has already been discussed >> elsewhere. I had hoped that discussion would suffice. > > The CoC FAQ is not part of the CoC, and not part of the Linux kernel. > If the CoC is imprecise, it should be fixed in the CoC, not in a separate > document hosted elsewhere, as discussed elsewhere. > > Comparison with the GPL and the GPL FAQ is not appropriate, as the GPL > is still the precise legal document, while its FAQ is a clarification using > laymen's terms. > >> As mentioned there: The original commit explicitly said "Explicit >> guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects and other areas >> of the kernel."; this is precisely the kind of explicit guideline it > > Given the original commit was not submitted for and objected to public > review, nobody had the chance to question these statements, and ask for > pointers of proof, which would surely have happened. > >> refers to. Listing explicit cases to cover does not imply other cases >> are not covered; > > It does, if not accompanied by "examples of...", like in the other sections. > >> it does, however, ensure that the listed cases *are*, >> and helps people know that they're covered. > > So you agree people cannot know if the unlisted cases are covered or not? > >> This patch is not OK, and defeats one of the purposes of the original >> change. > > So the purpose of the original change was to list a number of factors, > without saying that it was just a list of examples? One could consider adding something like "discrimination factors such as", or maybe "or any other discrimination factors not listed here" to the original text. Or a simple "regardless of, for example, ...". Guenter