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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@surriel.com,
	 shakeel.butt@linux.dev, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	david@redhat.com,  npache@redhat.com, baohua@kernel.org,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com,  rppt@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
	cerasuolodomenico@gmail.com,  ryncsn@gmail.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com,  Shuang Zhai <zhais@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/6] mm: free zapped tail pages when splitting isolated thp
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 01:46:19 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1d490ab5-5cf8-4c16-65d0-37a62999fcd5@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240830100438.3623486-2-usamaarif642@gmail.com>

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024, Usama Arif wrote:

> From: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
> 
> If a tail page has only two references left, one inherited from the
> isolation of its head and the other from lru_add_page_tail() which we
> are about to drop, it means this tail page was concurrently zapped.
> Then we can safely free it and save page reclaim or migration the
> trouble of trying it.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
> Tested-by: Shuang Zhai <zhais@google.com>
> Acked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
> Signed-off-by: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>

I'm sorry, but I think this patch (just this 1/6) needs to be dropped:
it is only an optimization, and unless a persuasive performance case
can be made to extend it, it ought to go (perhaps revisited later).

The problem I kept hitting was that all my work, requiring compaction and
reclaim, got (killably) stuck in or repeatedly calling reclaim_throttle():
because nr_isolated_anon had grown high - and remained high even when the
load had all been killed.

Bisection led to the 2/6 (remap to shared zeropage), but I'd say this 1/6
is the one to blame. I was intending to send this patch to "fix" it:

--- a/mm/huge_memory.c
+++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
@@ -3295,6 +3295,8 @@ static void __split_huge_page(struct pag
 			folio_clear_active(new_folio);
 			folio_clear_unevictable(new_folio);
 			list_del(&new_folio->lru);
+			node_stat_sub_folio(folio, NR_ISOLATED_ANON +
+						folio_is_file_lru(folio));
 			if (!folio_batch_add(&free_folios, new_folio)) {
 				mem_cgroup_uncharge_folios(&free_folios);
 				free_unref_folios(&free_folios);

And that ran nicely, until I terminated the run and did
grep nr_isolated /proc/sys/vm/stat_refresh /proc/vmstat
at the end: stat_refresh kindly left a pr_warn in dmesg to say
nr_isolated_anon -334013737

My patch is not good enough. IIUC, some split_huge_pagers (reclaim?)
know how many pages they isolated and decremented the stats by, and
increment by that same number at the end; whereas other split_huge_pagers
(migration?) decrement one by one as they go through the list afterwards.

I've run out of time (I'm about to take a break): I gave up researching
who needs what, and was already feeling this optimization does too much
second guessing of what's needed (and its array of VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIOs
rather admits to that).

And I don't think it's as simple as moving the node_stat_sub_folio()
into 2/6 where the zero pte is substituted: that would probably handle
the vast majority of cases, but aren't there others which pass the
folio_ref_freeze(new_folio, 2) test - the title's zapped tail pages,
or racily truncated now that the folio has been unlocked, for example?

Hugh

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-05  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-30 10:03 [PATCH v5 0/6] mm: split underused THPs Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] mm: free zapped tail pages when splitting isolated thp Usama Arif
2024-09-05  8:46   ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2024-09-05 10:21     ` Usama Arif
2024-09-05 18:05       ` Hugh Dickins
2024-09-05 19:24         ` Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] mm: remap unused subpages to shared zeropage " Usama Arif
2024-10-23 16:21   ` Zi Yan
2024-10-23 16:50     ` Usama Arif
2024-10-23 16:55       ` Zi Yan
2024-10-23 16:56       ` Yu Zhao
2025-09-18  8:53   ` Qun-wei Lin (林群崴)
2025-09-18  8:56     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-18 11:42       ` Usama Arif
2025-09-18 11:57         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-18 12:22       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-18 12:25         ` Lance Yang
2025-09-18 12:35         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-19  5:16           ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19  7:55             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-19  8:14               ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 10:53                 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 12:19                   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 12:44                     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 13:09                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-19 13:24                       ` Lance Yang
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] mm: selftest to verify zero-filled pages are mapped to zeropage Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] mm: Introduce a pageflag for partially mapped folios Usama Arif
2024-12-11 15:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-12 10:30     ` Usama Arif
2024-12-12 10:49       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] mm: split underused THPs Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] mm: add sysfs entry to disable splitting " Usama Arif

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