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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86_64: test that userspace stack is in fact NX
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 13:46:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1dad6a33-1cd0-0d0f-29c5-97fd2807f07a@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZRxr79i5PAXRXjqr@gmail.com>

On 10/3/23 12:30, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
>> Because not having NX in 2023 on any system that is threatened is a
>> big security vulnerability in itself, and whether the vendor or owner
>> intentionally did that or not doesn't really matter, and a failing
>> kernel testcase will be the least of their problems.
> BTW., it's also questionable whether the owner is *aware* of the fact that 
> NX is not available: what if some kernel debug option cleared the NX flag, 
> unintended, or there's some serious firmware bug?
> 
> However unlikely those situations might be, I think unconditionally warning 
> about NX not available is a very 2023 thing to do.

100% agree for x86_64.  Any sane x86_64 system has NX and the rest are
noise that can live with the error message, unless someone shows up with
a compelling reason why not.

For 32-bit, the situation is reversed.  The majority of 32-bit-only CPUs
never had NX.  The only reason to even *do* this check on 32-bit is that
we think folks are running i386 kernels on x86_64 hardware _or_ we just
don't care about 32-bit in the first place.

In the end, I think if we're going to do this test on i386, we should
_also_ do the 5-lines-of-code CPUID check.  But I honestly don't care
that much.  I wouldn't NAK (or not merge) this patch over it.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-03 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-01 16:31 Alexey Dobriyan
2023-10-02 13:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-03 13:03   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2023-10-02 14:23 ` Dave Hansen
2023-10-03 13:00   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2023-10-03 14:23     ` Dave Hansen
2023-10-03 19:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-03 19:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-03 20:46           ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2023-10-03 21:53             ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-10-03 16:18 ` [PATCH v2] x86: " Alexey Dobriyan
2023-10-03 19:01   ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-03 19:12   ` [tip: x86/mm] selftests/x86/mm: Add new " tip-bot2 for Alexey Dobriyan

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