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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: "Lai, Yi" <yi1.lai@linux.intel.com>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	yi1.lai@intel.com, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, luto@kernel.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, shuah@kernel.org, tglx@kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] selftests/x86: Fix sysret_rip assertion failure on FRED systems
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 16:39:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ede823e-080e-4283-a018-efd62e0c1579@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acDV51/6Nml3dzOk@ly-workstation>

On 23/03/2026 5:55 am, Lai, Yi wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 08:50:54AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> On 3/20/26 08:47, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>> First, CPUID doesn't tell you if FRED is in use. Is it even on by
>>>> default yet? There might not be a better way to do this than checking
>>>> CPUID, but checking CPUID is imprecise at best.
>>> A reliable way to distinguish IDT and FRED mode is to:
>>>
>>> 1) Load $3 into %fs (x86_64) or %gs (i386) (i.e. whichever isn't thread
>>> local stoage)
>>> 2) execute a breakpoint, ignore the signal
>>> 3) Look to see whether %fs/%gs holds 3 or 0
>>>
>>> IRET has a fun behaviour where it zeroes NULL selectors even if they had
>>> a non-zero RPL.
>>>
>>> ERETU doesn't do this; Andy Luto and I asked for this minor information
>>> leak to be removed, and Intel agreed as it served no purpose anyone
>>> could identify.
>>>
>>> As a consequence, you can use it to determine whether the kernel used
>>> IRET or ERET to return back to userspace.
>> I was thinking of just grepping /proc/cpuinfo for "fred", but that
>> sounds much more fun! :)
> Thank you both for the review and suggestions. The behavioral difference
> between IRET and ERETU is a more robust way to detect FRED activation
> than checking CPUID.
>
> How about the following implementation to add a helper function to
> determine if FRED is enabled at runtime:
>
> static void empty_handler(int sig, siginfo_t *info, void *ctx_void)
> {
> }
>
> static bool is_fred_enabled(void)
> {
> 	unsigned short gs_val;
>
> 	sethandler(SIGTRAP, empty_handler, 0);

What about setting SIG_IGN instead?

>
> 	/*
> 	 * Distinguish IDT and FRED mode by loading GS with a non-zero RPL and
> 	 * triggering an exception:
> 	 * IDT (IRET) clears RPL bits of NULL selectors.
> 	 * FRED (ERETU) preserves them.
> 	 *
> 	 * If GS is loaded with 3 (Index=0, RPL=3), and we trigger an exception:
> 	 * Legacy should restore GS as 0.
> 	 * FRED should preserve GS as 3.
> 	 */
> 	asm volatile(
> 		"mov $3, %%ax\n\t"
> 		"mov %%ax, %%gs\n\t"
> 		"int3\n\t"
> 		"mov %%gs, %%ax\n\t"
> 		"mov %%ax, %0\n\t"
> 		: "=r" (gs_val)
> 		:
> 		: "ax", "memory"
> 	);

asm volatile (
    "mov %[rpl3], %%gs\n\t"
    "int3\n\t"
    "mov %%gs, %[res]"
    : [res] "=r" (gs_val)
    : [rpl3] "r" (3));

No need for any clobbers.  Let the compiler do the hard work for you.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-20  6:33 Yi Lai
2026-03-20 14:31 ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-20 15:47   ` Andrew Cooper
2026-03-20 15:50     ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-22  6:13       ` Xin Li
2026-03-23  6:06         ` Lai, Yi
2026-03-23 16:19           ` Xin Li
2026-03-23 19:11           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-23 19:17             ` Andrew Cooper
2026-03-23 20:27               ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-24 14:08                 ` Andrew Cooper
2026-03-24 14:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-24 14:46                     ` Andrew Cooper
2026-03-24 15:16                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-22 20:08       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-23  5:55       ` Lai, Yi
2026-03-23 16:39         ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2026-03-24  1:28           ` Lai, Yi
2026-03-24 11:08 ` David Laight
2026-03-24 14:31   ` H. Peter Anvin

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