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From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Yiyang Wu <toolmanp@tlmp.cc>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 19/24] erofs: introduce namei alternative to C
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:14:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1edf9fe3-5e39-463b-8825-67b4d1ad01be@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ocmc6tmkyl6fnlijx4r3ztrmjfv5eep6q6dvbtfja4v43ujtqx@y43boqba3p5f>



On 2024/9/17 14:48, Yiyang Wu wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 06:08:01PM GMT, Al Viro wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 09:56:29PM +0800, Yiyang Wu wrote:
>>> +/// Lookup function for dentry-inode lookup replacement.
>>> +#[no_mangle]
>>> +pub unsafe extern "C" fn erofs_lookup_rust(
>>> +    k_inode: NonNull<inode>,
>>> +    dentry: NonNull<dentry>,
>>> +    _flags: c_uint,
>>> +) -> *mut c_void {
>>> +    // SAFETY: We are sure that the inode is a Kernel Inode since alloc_inode is called
>>> +    let erofs_inode = unsafe { &*container_of!(k_inode.as_ptr(), KernelInode, k_inode) };
>>
>> 	Ummm...  A wrapper would be highly useful.  And the reason why
>> it's safe is different - your function is called only via ->i_op->lookup,
>> the is only one instance of inode_operations that has that ->lookup
>> method, and the only place where an inode gets ->i_op set to that
>> is erofs_fill_inode().  Which is always passed erofs_inode::vfs_inode.
>>
> So my original intention behind this is that all vfs_inodes come from
> that erofs_iget function and it's always gets initialized in this case
> And this just followes the same convention here. I can document this
> more precisely.

I think Al just would like a wrapper here, like the current C EROFS_I().

>>> +    // SAFETY: The super_block is initialized when the erofs_alloc_sbi_rust is called.
>>> +    let sbi = erofs_sbi(unsafe { NonNull::new(k_inode.as_ref().i_sb).unwrap() });
>>
>> 	Again, that calls for a wrapper - this time not erofs-specific;
>> inode->i_sb is *always* non-NULL, is assign-once and always points
>> to live struct super_block instance at least until the call of
>> destroy_inode().
>>
> 
> Will be modified correctly, I'm not a native speaker and I just can't
> find a better way, I will take my note here.

Same here, like the current EROFS_I_SB().

>>> +    // SAFETY: this is backed by qstr which is c representation of a valid slice.
>>
>> 	What is that sentence supposed to mean?  Nevermind "why is it correct"...
>>
>>> +    let name = unsafe {
>>> +        core::str::from_utf8_unchecked(core::slice::from_raw_parts(
>>> +            dentry.as_ref().d_name.name,
>>> +            dentry.as_ref().d_name.__bindgen_anon_1.__bindgen_anon_1.len as usize,
>>

...

> 
>> 	Current erofs_lookup() (and your version as well) *is* indeed
>> safe in that respect, but the proof (from filesystem POV) is that "it's
>> called only as ->lookup() instance, so dentry is initially unhashed
>> negative and will remain such until it's passed to d_splice_alias();
>> until that point it is guaranteed to have ->d_name and ->d_parent stable".

Agreed.

>>
>> 	Note that once you _have_ called d_splice_alias(), you can't
>> count upon the ->d_name stability - or, indeed, upon ->d_name.name you've
>> sampled still pointing to allocated memory.
>>
>> 	For directory-modifying methods it's "stable, since parent is held
>> exclusive".  Some internal function called from different environments?
>> Well...  Swear, look through the call graph and see what can be proven
>> for each.
> 
> Sorry for my ignorance.
> I mean i just borrowed the code from the fs/erofs/namei.c and i directly
> translated that into Rust code. That might be a problem that also
> exists in original working C code.

As for EROFS (an immutable fs), I think after d_splice_alias(), d_name is
still stable (since we don't have rename semantics likewise for now).

But as the generic filesystem POV, d_name access is actually tricky under
RCU walk path indeed.

> 
>> 	Expressing that kind of fun in any kind of annotations (Rust type
>> system included) is not pleasant.  _Probably_ might be handled by a type
>> that would be a dentry pointer with annotation along the lines "->d_name
>> and ->d_parent of that one are stable".  Then e.g. ->lookup() would
>> take that thing as an argument and d_splice_alias() would consume it.
>> ->mkdir() would get the same thing, etc.  I hadn't tried to get that
>> all way through (the amount of annotation churn in existing filesystems
>> would be high and hard to split into reviewable patch series), so there
>> might be dragons - and there definitely are places where the stability is
>> proven in different ways (e.g. if dentry->d_lock is held, we have the damn
>> thing stable; then there's a "take a safe snapshot of name" API; etc.).
> 
> That's kinda interesting, I originally thought that VFS will make sure
> its d_name / d_parent is stable in the first place.
> Again, I just don't have a full picture or understanding of VFS and my
> code is just basic translation of original C code, Maybe we can address
> this later.

d_alloc will allocate an unhashed dentry which is almost unrecognized
by VFS dcache (d_name is stable of course).

After d_splice_alias() and d_add(), rename() could change d_name.  So
either we take d_lock or with rcu_read_lock() to take a snapshot of
d_name in the RCU walk path.  That is my overall understanding.

But for EROFS, since we don't have rename, so it doesn't matter.

Thanks,
Gao Xiang

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-17  7:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-16 13:56 [RFC PATCH 00/24] erofs: introduce Rust implementation Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 01/24] erofs: lift up erofs_fill_inode to global Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 02/24] erofs: add superblock data structure in Rust Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 17:55   ` Greg KH
2024-09-17  0:18     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-17  5:34       ` Greg KH
2024-09-17  5:45         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-17  5:27     ` Yiyang Wu
2024-09-17  5:39     ` Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 03/24] erofs: add Errno " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 17:51   ` Greg KH
2024-09-16 23:45     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-20  2:49     ` [PATCH RESEND 0/1] rust: introduce declare_err! autogeneration Yiyang Wu
2024-09-20  2:49       ` [PATCH RESEND 1/1] rust: error: auto-generate error declarations Yiyang Wu
2024-09-20  2:57     ` [RFC PATCH 03/24] erofs: add Errno in Rust Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 20:01   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-16 23:58     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-19 13:45       ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-19 15:13         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-19 19:36           ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-20  0:49             ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-21  8:37               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-09-21  9:29                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-25 15:48             ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-25 16:35               ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-25 21:45                 ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26  0:40                   ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26  1:04                     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26  8:10                       ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26  8:25                         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26  9:51                           ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26 10:46                             ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26 11:01                               ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26 11:05                                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26 11:23                                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26 12:50                                   ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-27  2:18                                     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26  8:48                         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 04/24] erofs: add xattrs data structure " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 05/24] erofs: add inode " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-18 13:04   ` [External Mail][RFC " Huang Jianan
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 06/24] erofs: add alloc_helper " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 07/24] erofs: add data abstraction " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 08/24] erofs: add device data structure " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 09/24] erofs: add continuous iterators " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 10/24] erofs: add device_infos implementation " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-21  9:44   ` Jianan Huang
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 11/24] erofs: add map data structure " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 12/24] erofs: add directory entry " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 13/24] erofs: add runtime filesystem and inode " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 14/24] erofs: add block mapping capability " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 15/24] erofs: add iter methods in filesystem " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 16/24] erofs: implement dir and inode operations " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 17/24] erofs: introduce Rust SBI to C Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 18/24] erofs: introduce iget alternative " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 19/24] erofs: introduce namei " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 17:08   ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  6:48     ` Yiyang Wu
2024-09-17  7:14       ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2024-09-17  7:31         ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  7:44           ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  8:08             ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-17 22:22             ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  8:06           ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 20/24] erofs: introduce readdir " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 21/24] erofs: introduce erofs_map_blocks " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 22/24] erofs: add skippable iters in Rust Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 23/24] erofs: implement xattrs operations " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 24/24] erofs: introduce xattrs replacement to C Yiyang Wu

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