From: "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw@wittsend.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw@wittsend.com>,
"Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org>,
npsimons@fsmlabs.com, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
Paul Menage <pmenage@ensim.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:13:32 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001031191332.A27820@alcove.wittsend.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20001031190034.B24279@alcove.wittsend.com> <E13qlRY-0008S3-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: <E13qlRY-0008S3-00@the-village.bc.nu>; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 12:07:50AM +0000
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 12:07:50AM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > users must be fairly recent (4.x and about - 3.x has come into discussion
> > but doesn't count here) customers. Obviously, they are big and SIGNIFICANT
> > customers. Do we know that Linux can't handle the load, though, or is
> > this just more supposition based on statistics?
> On the same hardware netware 3 at least tended to beat us flat, but then it
> wasnt a general purpose OS. I think what Jeff is trying to build is basically
> a box that runs netware in the netware 3/4 style - ie fast and a little
> unprotected with a standard linux application space protected mode on top of it
> - its an interesting concept.
Alan, I'll grant that what Jeff is attempting to do is laudable.
It's just that I have experience with Netware 3.x and 4.x in the field
(Ok... More 3.x than 4.x) and I have more than passing familiarity with
5.x security problems. I know he wants to achieve some of the good things
that Novell managed. I know, from first hand experience, what cost some
of those come at. Can he achieve the goal of matching the good while
avoiding the bad? I hope so. He won't do it by promoting what he
perceives as the advantages of Novell over Linux without at least some
passing acknowledgement of the failures of Novell, the disadvantages, and
the costs. I think his goals are good and his head is in the right spot,
I just don't want to see history repeat itself. He has my best wishes,
since both he and Linux will benefit.
My $0.02.
Mike
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2000-10-31 21:44 Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:36 ` Paul Menage
2000-10-31 21:44 ` David S. Miller
2000-10-31 23:21 ` Matti Aarnio
2000-10-31 23:39 ` David Weinehall
2000-10-31 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:15 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:27 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:38 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:48 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 22:50 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:49 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:53 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:15 ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-10-31 23:20 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 0:00 ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01 0:07 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 0:13 ` Michael H. Warfield [this message]
2000-11-01 1:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] ` <20001031183809.C9733@.timpanogas.org>
2000-11-01 15:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 17:25 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 17:35 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 18:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 18:34 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 21:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-01 21:32 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 11:13 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-01 15:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 9:51 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2000-11-01 17:28 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-02 21:58 ` Anton Altaparmakov
[not found] <200010300823.BAA19834@vger.timpanogas.org>
2000-10-30 8:36 ` Jeff V. Merkey
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2000-10-29 23:19 Jeff V. Merkey
[not found] ` <E13q2R7-0006S7-00@the-village.bc.nu>
2000-10-30 1:35 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 6:47 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 6:58 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 7:08 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 7:16 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 7:38 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 8:04 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 8:16 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 12:47 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 12:50 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 8:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 7:20 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 8:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 8:08 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 9:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 8:55 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:11 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:33 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:56 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:08 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 17:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:58 ` Chris Evans
2000-10-30 18:01 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:59 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 8:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 20:04 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 19:11 ` Dan Hollis
2000-10-31 18:59 ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-30 10:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:20 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:38 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:54 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:06 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56 ` john slee
2000-10-30 18:04 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 12:57 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 17:55 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:34 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 21:17 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 9:25 ` Erik Andersen
2000-10-31 18:50 ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-31 20:06 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:13 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:57 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 0:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:18 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 0:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01 0:56 ` Davide Libenzi
[not found] ` <20001102031546.B10806@cerebro.laendle>
[not found] ` <20001101212835.A2425@vger.timpanogas.org>
[not found] ` <20001102043332.A27126@fuji.laendle>
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2000-11-02 22:46 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-03 0:12 ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-02 23:00 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:52 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:05 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-31 22:23 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:44 ` David Lang
2000-10-31 22:57 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:52 ` David Lang
2000-10-31 23:02 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 23:03 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 0:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:59 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 2:30 ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 23:05 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-10-31 23:14 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 0:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:23 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 0:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:47 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:56 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:55 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 0:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01 5:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-03 6:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2000-10-31 22:59 ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-10-31 23:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:28 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 5:01 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-01 5:09 ` Larry McVoy
2000-11-01 5:20 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-10-30 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 9:40 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 23:26 ` David Woodhouse
2000-10-30 23:49 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:34 ` Roger Larsson
2000-10-31 15:18 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:26 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 15:30 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:37 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 20:48 ` Jesse Pollard
2000-10-31 20:58 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 1:33 ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-01 3:42 ` Jesse Pollard
2000-11-01 13:26 ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 21:43 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:50 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:36 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 15:47 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:05 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:33 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:48 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 16:54 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:58 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:53 ` Jeff V. Merkey
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