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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Tigran Aivazian <tigran@aivazian.fsnet.co.uk>,
	Tigran Aivazian <tigran@veritas.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>,
	Max Inux <maxinux@bigfoot.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: bzImage ~ 900K with i386 test11-pre2
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:33:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001112203353.A13289@gruyere.muc.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011111644110.1036-100000@saturn.homenet> <m1ofzmcne5.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <20001112122910.A2366@athlon.random> <m1k8a9badf.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <20001112163705.A4933@athlon.random> <m1bsvlauic.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>
In-Reply-To: <m1bsvlauic.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>; from ebiederm@xmission.com on Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 11:57:15AM -0700

[This is quite a bizarre discussion, but I'll answer anyways. I am not exactly
sure what your point is]

On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 11:57:15AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 
> > > I can tell you don't have real hardware.  The non obviousness
> 
> I need to retract this a bit.  You are still building a compressed image,
> and the code in the boot/compressed/head.S remains unchanged and loads
> segment registers, so it works by luck.  If you didn't build a
> compressed image you would be in trouble.

boot/compressed/head.S does run in 32bit legacy mode, where you of course
need segment registers. After you got into long mode segments are only
needed to jump between 32/64bit code segments and and for a the data segment
of the 32bit emulation (+ the iretd bug currently which I hope will be fixed
in final hardware) 

Also note that boot/compressed/* currently does not even link, because the 
x86-64 toolchain cannot generate relocated 32bit code ATM (the linker chokes
on the 32bit relocations) The tests we did so far used a precompiled 
relocated binary compressed/{head,misc}.o from a IA32 build.

> > 	In 64-bit mode, the contents of the ES, DS, and SS segment registers
> > 	are ignored. All fields (base, limit, and attribute) in the
> > 	corresponding segment descriptor registers (hidden part) are also
> > 	ignored.
> 
> Hmm.  I'll have to look and see if FS & GS are also ignored.

They are not, you to fully use them you need privileged MSRs. 
Their limit is ignored.

> > Sure, go ahead if you weren't missing that basic part of the long mode specs.
> > Thanks.
> 
> Nope.  Though I suspect we should do the switch to 64bit mode in
> setup.S and not have these issues pollute head.S at all.

I see no advantage in doing it there instead of in head.S



-Andi
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-12 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-10 23:37 Robert Lynch
2000-11-10 23:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  2:25   ` Max Inux
2000-11-11  3:03     ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  5:28       ` Chmouel Boudjnah
2000-11-11 11:27       ` Max Inux
2000-11-11 11:28         ` Jan Niehusmann
2000-11-11 11:38         ` bzImage ~ 900K with i386 test11-pre2, I stand corrected Max Inux
2000-11-11 13:49         ` bzImage ~ 900K with i386 test11-pre2 James A. Sutherland
2000-11-11 20:08         ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11 11:36       ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-11 11:38         ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-11 11:52         ` Max Inux
2000-11-11 14:42         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 14:51           ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-11 16:26             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 16:46               ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-11 18:47                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 19:35                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-12 11:29                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-12 13:14                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-12 15:37                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-12 15:44                         ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-12 16:33                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-12 18:57                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-12 19:33                           ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2000-11-16 17:43                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-12 22:30                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-12 19:20                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-12 23:03                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 20:09         ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-12 16:22           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 16:05       ` Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
2000-11-11 17:27         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-14 14:02         ` Werner Almesberger
2000-11-11  5:47 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-11 14:30   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-11 15:43     ` Thomas Köhler
2000-11-11 18:03     ` Robert Lynch
2000-11-11 18:30       ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-11 18:57         ` Robert Lynch
2000-11-11 20:35           ` Andi Kleen

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