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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolinux.com>
To: Michael Rothwell <rothwell@holly-springs.nc.us>
Cc: no To-header on input <@fsa.enel.ucalgary.ca@vger.kernel.org>,
	Josue.Amaro@oracle.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Advanced Linux Kernel/Enterprise Linux Kernel
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:55:26 -0700 (MST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200011141755.eAEHtQK28643@webber.adilger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A117311.8DC02909@holly-springs.nc.us> "from Michael Rothwell at Nov 14, 2000 12:14:57 pm"

Michael Rothwell writes:
> 4) A high reliability internal file system. 
> 
> Ext2 + bdflush + kupdated? Not likely.  To quote the Be Filesystems
> book, Ext2 throws safety to the wind to achieve speed. This also ties
> into Linux' convoluted VM system, and is shot in the foot by NFS. We
> would need minimally a journaled filesystem and a clean VM design,
> probably with a unified cache (no separate buffer, directory entry and
> page caches). The Tux2 Phase Trees look to be a good step in the
> direction as well, in terms of FS reliability.

Ext3 is doing pretty well...

> The filesystem would have
> to do checksums on every block. Some type of mirroring/clustering would
> be good. And the ability to grow filesystems online, and replace disks
> online, would be key. If your disks are getting old, you may want to
> pre-emptively replace them with faster, newer, larger ones with more
> MTBF left.

You can always do this in the hardware - no reason to do it in software.
If you are using RAID 5, and you wanted to take the performance hit you
could always calculate the checksums for each stripe on read to detect
errors.  You may even be able to add a second parity disk to do ECC on
the disk data.

As for online resizing, you can do this with ext2 for a long time with
my ext2online patches/tools.  LVM lets you migrate between disks online.
You need hardware support (available) to do hot-swap disks - SCSI works,
but I don't think the IDE code is ready for hot-swap yet.

Cheers, Andreas
-- 
Andreas Dilger  \ "If a man ate a pound of pasta and a pound of antipasto,
                 \  would they cancel out, leaving him still hungry?"
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/               -- Dogbert
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-11-14 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-14 14:59 Jesse Pollard
2000-11-14 15:47 ` David Weinehall
2000-11-14 17:14 ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-14 16:20   ` Mike Dresser
2000-11-14 17:27     ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-14 17:32       ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-14 16:25   ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-14 17:29     ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-14 16:38       ` Mark Hahn
2000-11-14 19:23         ` spam
2000-11-14 16:41       ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-14 17:06         ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-14 17:59           ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-14 17:51         ` Buddha Buck
2000-11-14 18:10         ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-14 18:00           ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-15  0:31             ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-14 20:08         ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-14 16:57       ` David Relson
2000-11-14 18:17     ` Rik van Riel
2000-11-14 19:15     ` spam
2000-11-14 16:53   ` David Relson
2000-11-14 17:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-14 17:55   ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2000-11-14 18:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2000-11-14 23:06   ` Werner Almesberger
2000-11-15  4:25   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-11-17 22:10   ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-18  0:58     ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-18 20:13       ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-18 16:40     ` Pavel Machek
2000-11-19 20:37       ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-20 13:34         ` Pavel Machek
2000-11-14 17:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-17  5:28 Bernd Eckenfels
2000-11-15  4:19 Marty Fouts
2000-11-14 18:20 Marty Fouts
2000-11-14 18:18 Marty Fouts
2000-11-14 18:10 Marty Fouts
2000-11-14 19:43 ` Steve VanDevender
2000-11-15  1:13   ` Leo Mauro
2000-11-14 18:06 Marty Fouts
2000-11-14 18:03 Marty Fouts
2000-11-08 20:31 [ANNOUNCE] Generalised Kernel Hooks Interface (GKHI) richardj_moore
2000-11-13 21:56 ` Advanced Linux Kernel/Enterprise Linux Kernel Josue Emmanuel Amaro
2000-11-14  7:49   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2000-11-14 18:33   ` lamont

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