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From: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl (Rogier Wolff)
Cc: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.4. continues after Aieee...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:20:30 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200011161120.eAGBKUm08641@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200011151630.RAA04141@cave.bitwizard.nl> from "Rogier Wolff" at Nov 15, 2000 05:30:29 PM

Rogier Wolff wrote:
> Dennis wrote:
> > network card driver) and leave the system running make linux unusable in
> > unattended environments as the machine is functionally dead.
> 
> Which doesn't help in this case, as your network card COULD be dead,
> while the system simply hasn't crashed....

Not every case causes a panic either.  This week, I had an instance of
an i686 box lock solid with a DFE-530TX net card.  Rebooting/power
cycling it didn't recover it (despite it working for the past month
without any problems).  It only started working again after I moved
it into a different PCI slot.

I've seen a couple of instances now on totally different hardware where
it is possible to lock a PCI bus solid by improper connections on some
of the PCI bus lines, so a faulty PCI socket seem to be the most likely
cause.

In this case, a "panic" doesn't help you; the machine experiances a
hardware lockup.  To catch these, you'd need a hardware watchdog.

What I'm basically saying is that there is only a limited amount that
Linux (or any OS) can do against these types of hardware failure.  If
you need better protection, try a hardware with user-space policy
implementations.
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-16 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-15  7:53 Rogier Wolff
2000-11-15 16:15 ` Dennis
2000-11-15 16:30   ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-16 11:20     ` Russell King [this message]
2000-11-16 15:34     ` Dennis
2000-11-16 16:11       ` Russell King
2000-11-16  4:51   ` David Feuer

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