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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@vger.timpanogas.org>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Pauline Middelink <middelin@polyware.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jmerkey@timpanogas.org
Subject: Re: bigphysarea support in 2.2.19 and 2.4.0 kernels
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:25:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001222132541.A1555@vger.timpanogas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20001221144247.A10273@vger.timpanogas.org> <E149DKS-0003cX-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20001221154446.A10579@vger.timpanogas.org> <20001221155339.A10676@vger.timpanogas.org> <20001222093928.A30636@polyware.nl> <20001222111105.B14232@vger.timpanogas.org> <20001222113530.A14479@vger.timpanogas.org> <20001222202137.A27844@gruyere.muc.suse.de>
In-Reply-To: <20001222202137.A27844@gruyere.muc.suse.de>; from ak@suse.de on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:21:37PM +0100

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:21:37PM +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 11:35:30AM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > The real question is how to guarantee that these pages will be contiguous
> > in memory.  The slab allocator may also work, but I think there are size
> > constraints on how much I can get in one pass.
> 
> You cannot guarantee it after the system has left bootup stage. That's the
> whole reason why bigphysarea exists.
> 
> -Andi

I am wondering why the drivers need such a big contiguous chunk of memory.
For message passing operatings, they should not.  Some of 
the user space libraries appear to need this support.  I am going through 
this code today attempting to determine if there's a way to reduce this 
requirement or map the memory differently.   I am not using these cards
for a ccNUMA implementation, although they have versions of these 
adapters that can provide this capability, but for message passing with 
small windows of coherence between machines with push/pull DMA-style
behavior for high speed data transfers.  99.9% of the clustering 
stuff on Linux uses this model, so this requirement perhaps can be
restructured to be a better fit for Linux.

Just having the patch in the kernel for bigphysarea support would solve
this issue if it could be structured into a form Alan finds acceptable.
Absent this, we need a workaround that's more tailored for the 
requirments for Linux apps.

Jeff

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  reply	other threads:[~2000-12-22 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-21 21:42 Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-21 21:32 ` Alan Cox
2000-12-21 22:44   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-21 22:53     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-22  8:39       ` Pauline Middelink
2000-12-22  8:58         ` Alan Cox
2000-12-22 23:11           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-12-23  8:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-12-24  8:59               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-12-23 20:11             ` Jes Sorensen
2000-12-24  8:15               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-12-22 18:11         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-22 18:35           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-22 19:21             ` Andi Kleen
2000-12-22 20:25               ` Jeff V. Merkey [this message]
2000-12-22 19:51                 ` Pauline Middelink
2000-12-22 21:54                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-22 21:39                     ` Erik Mouw
2000-12-22 23:56                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-22 19:37           ` NUMA and SCI [was Re: bigphysarea support in 2.2.19 and 2.4.0 kernels] Tim Wright
2000-12-22 20:39             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-22 20:30               ` Alan Cox
2000-12-22 21:40                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-22 21:52                   ` Jeff V. Merkey

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