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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Subtle MM bug
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:43:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010110204308.A5303@gruyere.muc.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010110203307.A5106@gruyere.muc.suse.de> <E14GR76-0000nv-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: <E14GR76-0000nv-00@the-village.bc.nu>; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 07:40:49PM +0000

On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 07:40:49PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Of course not by default, it would be a new clone flag (with default to on in
> > linuxthreads though, to not cause security holes in ported programs like today) 
> 
> I've seen exactly nil cases where there are any security holes in apps caused
> by that pthreads api non adherance. There are also far too many overheads
> imposed by implementing something in kernel space that is nearly useless,
> not needed for any application 99.9999% of users (possibly 100%) have and can
> be done just as well in the pthreads library glue - where it will only be
> a penalty to pthread using apps.

I have not seen a good way to implement it in user space yet.

> Making everyone suffer for a bad standard corner case is bad. Especially when
> the 'security hole' is pure FUD
>
As the thread started it's not only only needed for pthreads, but also for NFS
and setuid (actually NFS already implements it privately), and probably other network
file systems too.  So it's far from being only a "bad standard corner case". 


-Andi
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-10 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-08  5:29 Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08  5:42 ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-08  6:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 17:44     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 18:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 17:16 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 17:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 23:41     ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-09  2:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09  6:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-09  7:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 11:38           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-09 12:29           ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-09 18:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 19:09               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-09 19:29                 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-10 17:32                   ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-10 19:31                     ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 19:33                       ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-10 19:40                         ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 19:43                           ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2001-01-10 19:48                             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 19:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-11  9:51                             ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-10 20:11                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-11 12:56                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 13:10                           ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-11 16:50                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-11 17:35                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 19:38                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-11 19:01                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-11 13:12                         ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-11 14:13                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 19:03                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-11 19:47                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 19:57                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-09 19:37                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-17  8:46                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-25 22:51                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-09 19:53               ` Simon Kirby
2001-01-09 20:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 20:10                 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-10  1:45               ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-10  2:26                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-10  6:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10 11:46                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-10 14:56                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-10 17:46                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-10 18:33                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-17 14:26                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-10 19:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10 19:27                           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-10 19:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 23:56                             ` David Weinehall
2001-01-11  0:24                               ` Alan Cox
2001-01-12  5:56                               ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-12 16:10                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-12 21:11                                   ` Russell King
2001-01-15  2:56                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15  6:59                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-15  2:53                                   ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15  8:41                                     ` Caches, page coloring, virtual indexed caches, and more Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-15 11:54                                       ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15 12:53                                         ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-15 17:41                                           ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-17  4:36                                             ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-16  9:34                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-17  4:43                                             ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-17  8:35                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-15 17:16                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-16  4:58                                           ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15 18:22                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-15 12:51                                       ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-17 14:28                           ` Subtle MM bug Rik van Riel
2001-01-18  1:23                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 11:48                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-10 17:03                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-11 14:36                       ` Jim Gettys
2001-01-08 21:30   ` Wayne Whitney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-10 19:57 Chris Wing
2001-01-08 20:39 Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-01-08 21:56 ` Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08 23:22   ` Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08 23:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-09  0:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 22:00 ` Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08 22:15   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-07 20:59 Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-07 21:37 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-07 22:33   ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-09  2:01   ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-17  4:48     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-17 18:53       ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-18  1:32         ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-17 19:37           ` H. Peter Anvin

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