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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: andrewm@uow.edu.au
Cc: jayts@bigfoot.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-audio-dev@ginette.musique.umontreal.ca, xpert@xfree86.org,
	mcrichto@mpp.ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] low-latency scheduling patch for 2.4.0
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:19:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200101110519.VAA02784@pizda.ninka.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A5D994A.1568A4D5@uow.edu.au> (message from Andrew Morton on Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:30:18 +1100)
In-Reply-To: <3A57DA3E.6AB70887@uow.edu.au> from "Andrew Morton" at Jan 07, 2001 01:53:50 PM <200101110312.UAA06343@toltec.metran.cx> <3A5D994A.1568A4D5@uow.edu.au>


Just some commentary and a bug report on your patch Andrew:

Opinion: Personally, I think the approach in Andrew's patch
	 is the way to go.

	 Not because it can give the absolute best results.
	 But rather, it is because it says "here is where a lot
         of time is spent".

	 This has two huge benefits:
	 1) It tells us where possible algorithmic improvements may
	    be possible.  In some cases we may be able to improve the
	    code to the point where the pre-emption points are no
	    longer necessary and can thus be removed.
	 2) It affects only code which can burn a lot of cpu without
	    scheduling.  Compare this to schemes which make the kernel
	    fully pre-emptable, causing _EVERYONE_ to pay the price of
	    low-latency.  If we were to later fine algorithmic
	    improvements to the high-latency pieces of code, we
            couldn't then just "undo" support for pre-emption because
	    dependencies will have swept across the whole kernel
	    already.

            Pre-emption, by itself, also doesn't help in situations
	    where lots of time is spent while holding spinlocks.
	    There are several other operating systems which support
	    pre-emption where you will find hard coded calls to the
	    scheduler in time-consuming code.  Heh, it's almost like,
	    "what's the frigging point of pre-emption then if you
	    still have to manually check in some spots?"

Bug:	In the tcp_minisock.c changes, if you bail out of the loop
	early (ie. max_killed=1) you do not decrement tcp_tw_count
	by killed, which corrupts the state of the TIME_WAIT socket
	reaper.  The fix is simple, just duplicate the tcp_tw_count
	decrement into the "if (max_killed)" code block.

Later,
David S. Miller
davem@redhat.com
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-11 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-11 11:30 Andrew Morton
2001-01-07  2:53 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-11  3:12   ` [linux-audio-dev] " Jay Ts
2001-01-11  3:22     ` Cort Dougan
2001-01-11 12:38       ` Alan Cox
2001-01-11  5:19     ` David S. Miller [this message]
2001-01-11 13:57       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-11 20:55       ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-12 13:30         ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-12 15:11           ` Tim Wright
2001-01-12 22:30             ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-13  1:01             ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-15 19:46               ` Tim Wright
2001-01-12 22:46           ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-12 23:08           ` george anzinger
2001-01-21  0:05           ` yodaiken
2001-01-22  0:54             ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-22  1:49               ` Paul Barton-Davis
2001-01-22  2:21                 ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-22  3:31                   ` J Sloan
2001-01-28 13:14                   ` yodaiken
2001-01-28 14:07                     ` Bill Huey
2001-01-28 14:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-29  5:02                       ` yodaiken
2001-01-28 14:19                     ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-28 16:17                       ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-29 15:44                         ` yodaiken
2001-01-29 17:23                           ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-29 17:38                             ` yodaiken
2001-01-29 18:03                               ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 15:08                           ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-30 15:44                             ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 16:29                               ` Paul Davis
2001-01-30 16:35                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-31  7:55                               ` george anzinger
2001-01-30 16:19                             ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-01 12:40                               ` Pavel Machek
2001-02-01 22:33                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-02  4:17                                   ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 20:51                             ` yodaiken
2001-01-30 21:00                               ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-29 22:08                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-29 22:31                         ` Roger Larsson
2001-01-29 23:46                           ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 15:08                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-11 21:31       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-15  5:27         ` george anzinger
2001-01-12 13:21       ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-14 11:35   ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-14 14:38     ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-15 10:59       ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-13  2:45 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Jay Ts
2001-01-21  0:10   ` yodaiken
2001-01-26  9:14     ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-13 18:11 ` video drivers hog pci bus ? [was:[linux-audio-dev] low-latency scheduling patch for 2.4.0] Jörn Nettingsmeier

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