From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:00:10 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:00:00 -0500 Received: from alcove.wittsend.com ([130.205.0.20]:4370 "EHLO alcove.wittsend.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:59:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:59:13 -0500 From: "Michael H. Warfield" To: sl@fireplug.net Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN Message-ID: <20010126165913.D1432@alcove.wittsend.com> Mail-Followup-To: sl@fireplug.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net> <94sriq$4b7$1@whiskey.enposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.2i In-Reply-To: <94sriq$4b7$1@whiskey.enposte.net>; from sl@whiskey.fireplug.net on Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:52:26PM -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:52:26PM -0800, Stuart Lynne wrote: > In article <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net>, > James Sutherland wrote: > >On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > >Except you can't retry without ECN, because DaveM wants to do a Microsoft > >and force ECN on everyone, whether they like it or not. If ECN is so > No, he just wants them to ignore it like they are supposed to do if > they don't know what it is. > >wonderful, why doesn't anybody actually WANT to use it anyway? > Because they are stupid and don't want to take the time and energy > to upgrade their systems. > Most ISP's have the generic rule, if it ain't broke, don't fuck with it. > Even the mighty microsoft learned just two days ago what happens if you > make mistakes changing routing information. No... Microsoft learned, just two days ago, something that has been part of best practices for over 15 years. Do NOT put all of your DNS servers on the same network! The technical error may have triggered the meltdown but if they had distributed their DNS the way they were suppose to, it would have NOT taken them totally out. It wasn't the technician's mistake. It was the single point of failure (and subsequently the single point of attack). He just triggered it. > -- > __O > Lineo - For Emedded Linux Solutions _-\<,_ > PGP Fingerprint: 28 E2 A0 15 99 62 9A 00 (_)/ (_) 88 EC A3 EE 2D 1C 15 68 > Stuart Lynne www.fireplug.net 604-461-7532 Mike -- Michael H. Warfield | (770) 985-6132 | mhw@WittsEnd.com (The Mad Wizard) | (678) 463-0932 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471 | possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/