From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Timur Tabi <ttabi@interactivesi.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Kernel Janitor's TODO list
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:26:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010129182633.A2522@gruyere.muc.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A7459AA.84CDCF7B@colorfullife.com> <Pine.GSO.4.10.10101281949200.13259-100000@zeus.fh-brandenburg.de> <Ys3tl.A.KcH.rHad6@dinero.interactivesi.com>
In-Reply-To: <Ys3tl.A.KcH.rHad6@dinero.interactivesi.com>; from ttabi@interactivesi.com on Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 11:01:31AM -0600
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 11:01:31AM -0600, Timur Tabi wrote:
> What makes it more frustrating is that some people on this list talk as if
> things things are common knowledge. I've been following this mailing list for
> months, and until today I had no idea sleep_on was bad. All the documentation
> I've read to date freely uses sleep_on in the sample code. In fact, I still
When Linux documentation uses sleep_on it is probably broken and should be
fixed. Unix (not linux) documentation uses sleep_on commonly, but Unix has
different wait queue semantics and it is usually safe there.
You're probably reading the wrong documentation, e.g. Rusty's
kernel hacking HOWTO describes it correctly (and a lot of the other rules)
> don't even know WHY it's bad. Not only that, but what am I supposed to use
> instead?
You can miss wakeups. The standard pattern is:
get locks
add_wait_queue(&waitqueue, &wait);
for (;;) {
if (condition you're waiting for is true)
break;
unlock any non sleeping locks you need for condition
__set_task_state(current, TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE);
schedule();
__set_task_state(current, TASK_RUNNING);
reaquire locks
}
remove_wait_queue(&waitqueue, &wait);
When you want to handle signals you can check for them before or after the
condition check. Also use TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE in this case.
When you need a timeout use schedule_timeout().
For some cases you can also use the wait_event_* macros which encapsulate
that for you, assuming condition can be tested/used lockless.
An alternative is to use a semaphore, although that behaves a bit differently
under load.
> This is what I find most frustrating about Linux. If I were a Windows driver
> programmer, I could walk into any bookstore and pick up any of a dozen books
> that explains everything, leaving no room for doubt.
Just why are Windows drivers so buggy then?
-Andi
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-01-29 17:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-01-28 16:14 Manfred Spraul
2001-01-28 14:36 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-01-28 16:45 ` Manfred Spraul
2001-01-28 17:07 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-28 17:40 ` Manfred Spraul
2001-01-28 18:51 ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-29 17:01 ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-29 17:10 ` John Levon
2001-01-29 18:27 ` David D.W. Downey
2001-01-29 20:44 ` davej
2001-01-29 20:51 ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-29 20:56 ` Rasmus Andersen
2001-01-30 0:29 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-30 0:20 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-01-30 11:11 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-30 16:52 ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-31 0:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-31 0:09 ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-31 9:14 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-30 17:10 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-29 17:26 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2001-01-29 19:47 ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-29 20:35 ` Andi Kleen
2001-02-16 14:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-02-16 14:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-31 17:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-01-31 19:15 ` Manfred Spraul
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-30 1:22 Rusty Russell
2001-01-30 3:08 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-27 17:11 Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-01-28 15:20 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-28 14:03 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-01-28 15:49 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-28 16:13 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-28 14:28 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-01-28 14:33 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-01-30 1:05 ` Rusty Russell
2001-01-30 11:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-30 17:49 ` Daniel Phillips
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